How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

I just flatly don't believe it. We haven't heard a damn thing about Miami reaching out to OKC to unlock 2024. The reports up until today were that Miami hadn't ever reached back out to Portland. This smacks entirely of damage control to make people think that Riley was doing something.

 

Problem is any reports we get now after Dame is already traded cannot be trusted. Heat might say they were reluctant to include Herro as to not alienate him. Or they might say, they were willing to sell the farm but Portland took a lesser offer to tell their fanbase they tried

 

You apparently missed this:

He traded him to a team he was agreeable to. How on earth is that doing him wrong?

 

That's not factual. When somebody does the best possible that is not bad.

Not adding players who were not available isn't anybody's fault.

 

Not buying it. At all.

 

It was Lowry, 3 1sts, Jovic, seconds, swaps.

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 1 unprotected 1st (from Miami), 1 protected first (from Herro), Jovic and some seconds.

 

BuT wE dId WrOnG bY dAmE!

 

Not sure we heard about them getting close to moving Herro for a first either.

 

You forget the intangibles of Joe caving to Riley, how that makes us look around the League and the precedent that sets for Scoot and Sharpe when they are on their second contracts and might want greener pastures. Joe took the right deal.

 

I don't believe it would have been Lowry. It would have been Duncan Robinson's terrible contract. Lowry would have put the Blazers 15 Million over the luxury tax. No chance they do that. Cutting 15 Million from Herro and/or Lowry would be difficult, and would likely take away assets. I don't believe that was ever an option. It was Duncan Robinson and his 3 years remaining.

 

The one unprotected Bucks pick is worth more than the 28 and 30 picks from Miami. I'm not the only person who thinks this. Just posted an opinion from Sam Vecenie saying the exact same thing.

 

Look how trustworthy the reports were before Dame's trade.
Even the anonymous source Dime22 said Dame was for sure going to the Heat.

Now for some reason everything's legit?

 

I'd have to agree...your takes are awful.

 

After a nights sleep, I think Joe could have done better, just my opinion. JH a 1st and two swaps just doesn't seem like enough for the caliber of player Dame is Now. It's possible Joe took less to send Dame to a contender as a thanks for the years of loyalty.
If we can turn Holiday into something decent that will help.

I still think as long as the Vulcans are involved, it's going to be a salary dump. I dont expect Ayton or Grant to be here after next season, they will be traded for youngsters at a bargain price.

 

Nor am I. Just posting

 

It fits BJ's "but think about the Lillards!", narrative. The dude never, ever admits he's wrong under any circumstances. It's sad really.

 

If you were the trustee of something you are to sell off at some point would you be investing a lot or excited about building for the future short and long term?

 

Oh I understood what he meant. He's talking about the Simons for Giannis, Grant for Doncic, and Keljin Blevins for Jokic trades that Joe turned down.

He has claimed based on double secret sauces, that Dame gave a list of teams, Joe came out and said we don't care about Dame's preferences and then, and only then, Dame got mad. My sources say that's BS. Of course my sources are a magic 8-ball and a homeless guy who lives under the overpass near Moda center, both of which are about as credible as this claim.

Even if BJ's claim is true, we ended up trading Dame to a preferred destination. That then leaves only, Joe turned down trades that got us to the Finals, and I think we all know that's BS. So again, he's just flat out wrong, but it's BJ so he will never, ever admit that.

 

The important thing is that you can't look at picks as all being equal.

Everyone is giving Danny Ainge a lot of credit because he got a ton of Minnesota Timberwolves picks. Those picks are gold. That organization has been a shit show for decades. TWolves picks are worth more than, say, Nuggets picks.

So in this case, we're comparing one unprotected pick from the Bucks and two swaps, from a team that does not have a bright future. Everyone is old on that team. They don't have any young guys and they don't have any picks. Those picks could be worth a lot in a few years. So one unprotected Buck pick could be worth two picks from Miami because the Heat are a free agent destination and the Bucks are very much not.