Rotation if we keep Brogdon

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Ayton Grant Simons Scoot are all locks to start.

    Also sounds like we may consider keeping Brogdon for awhile. Could legit make a case that he's our best player today on the roster.

    When I assumed Brogdon was to be traded I had thought as I did the whole summer Sharpe would come off the bench but get over 30mpg, and Thybulle start at SF. But I'm not sure that makes sense if Brogdon is also coming off the bench.

    Ayton Williams
    Grant Murray
    Sharpe Thybulle
    Ant
    Scoot Brogdon

    Other option;

    Ayton Williams
    Grant Murray
    Thybulle
    Ant Sharpe
    Scoot Brogdon

    Just seems like it'll be much harder to get Sharpe and Brogdon enough minutes in that second option if both of them are coming off the bench.

    But not sure I like the defense of Scoot Ant Sharpe starting, or Sharpe having to play bigger guys so often when he's only 20.

    With Brogdon what do you think the rotation will be?
     
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    I assume Thybulle will start at 3 and Sharpe will play 2/3 off the bench. If there are 144 mpg between the 1-3 spots, if Scoot/Ant get 32 each, that leaves 80 to split between Brogdon/Sharpe/Thybulle--I think that's a decent amount.
     
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    I change my mind frequently on this subject. I need to see them play first. But as of now....

    Ayton Williams
    Grant Murray
    Sharpe Thybulle

    Brogdon
    Ant Scoot

    That is a 3 guard rotation with each getting over 30 minutes a game. So before some of you go ape shit, this will not affect Scoot in any negative way.
    He won't care if he starts off the bench. This way we will get much needed energy off the bench
     
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    Coach Billups likes consistency with rotations. Tight 8-9 man groupings. He's not a 5 + 5 coach. I'd like to see Skylar Mays get good minutes in the rotation, but that would shave PT from Anfernee.

    Scoot
    Ant
    Thybulle
    Grant
    Ayton

    bench:

    Ant
    Sharpe
    Brogdan
    Murray/Walker
    R.Williams

    Scoot absorbs the brunt of Lillard minutes (30)
    Ant & Grant minutes remain unchanged (35)
    DA gets more run then Nurkic half games. (30)
    Nassir,Keon, some Dame pt goes to Brogdan (25)
    Plug & play Thybulle & Sharpe will vary (20)
    Williams gets backup Center (15)
    Murray/Walker split reserve Forward (10 a piece)
    Mays gets a 10 minute run if he makes the squad

    situational and garbage time minutes allocated to remaining bench players.
     
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  5. Chris Craig

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    Brogdon will come off the bench behind Scoot. 6th man

    We may see Ant go the bench early for Sharpe, then Ant will come back out with Brogdon and Sharpe will move to the three.

    Scoot/Brogdon
    Simons/Sharpe
    Thybulle/ Sharpe/ Knox/Camara
    Grant/Murray/Knox/Walker
    Ayton/Williams/Brown
     
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    It offends my sensibilities seeing Knox in the rotation. Dude's a bust. If he's on the roster, I'd put him behind Rupert.
     
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    It is an extra fun not compelled to win Blazer season. The pressure to rack up W's is on temporary pause. Coach Billups might throw the kitchen sink on the court. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 12-14 Blazers all receive double digit PT. There might be contests where the scoreboard dictates bench minutes. Down by 20+ by the 4th ?? Starters take a break, clear the bench. Knox/Walker/Murray/Sharpe play the entire final quarter.
     
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    Main Rotation Players (8):
    1-2: Scoot Ant Sharpe Brogdan
    3: Thybulle Sharpe Brogdan Grant (basically by committee. yes, I think Brogdan will play some 3)
    4-5 Grant Ayton TimeLord

    Spot Minutes (2):
    Walker Camara
     
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    I don't see Scoot and Ant being a good pairing. Better than Dame and Ant, maybe, but not great. Ant is best as a lead guard.

    I am in a small minority, but I don't think Scoot should start... yet. I'm fine with hm coming off the bench and going crazy.
     
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    My starters:
    Guards: Ant and Brogdon
    Forwards: Grant and... Walker (more likely Matisse, but then we'd really suffer on the boards)
    C: Ayton

    Killer bench:
    Scoot, Shae, TimeLord and throw in whatever forward's looking good in practice. Murray, probably.
     
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    That's how I see it too, at least to start. Brogdon will be dealt or hurt eventually, and Scoot and Sharpe will switch off starting with Ant.
     
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    Was just having this discussion at work today. My assumption, and what makes the most "sense"

    Scoot/Brogdon
    Ant/Sharpe
    Thybulle
    Grant/
    Ayton/Williams

    Fill in whoever at the backup 3/4. I assume Sharpe will see plenty of minutes there, and Brogdon will see some as well. I don't love not starting Sharpe, but With Scoot, Ant, Grant, and Ayton, we have scoring where it makes more sense to have defense at the 3, and have him off the bench. I don't think a Brogdson-Ant pairing makes as much sense off the bench as Brogdon-Sharpe, which is why I think it'll be Sharpe sitting to start. I think we'll finish plenty of games with Scoot-Ant-Sharpe-Grant-Ayton. And at the same times see a Ant-Brogdon-Thybulle-Grant-Ayton closing lineup. I hate playing small, but do like the flexibility in Brogdon, Sharpe and Thybulle being able to go 2/3. And love having Williams backing up Ayton.
    I have zero expectations for success, but am also excited for the season to begin.
     
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    I think the Blazers best lineup right now would be.
    Scoot
    Sharpe
    Grant
    Ayton
    Williams

    I don't think that will be the starting lineup though, but Grant, Thybulle, Ant....those are 3 pretty weak rebounders relative to the positions they are being forecast to.

    I don't really get all the Thybulle love either. You can be this elite defender, but if you suck as bad at offense as what you're hoping to make the other player do, it's kind of a wash, and he's not a good rebounder for a SF.
     
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    Scoot
    Brog
    Ayton
    Grant
    Williams
     
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    Shae doesn’t gas if he comes off the bench or not.
     
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    I'm confused about the way people are approaching this season.

    1)Is the team and coach all-in on trying to win every game from the get-go?

    2)Or is this a season where the coach can and should experiment and see who can do what (does not apply to Veterans), and get key young players valuable Experience = playing time?

    If the answer is #2, why in the hell would Brogdon be starting? He should not.

    Mattisse Thybulle has been in the NBA for FIVE seasons. His career average points per game is 4.6 points per game. He should NOT be starting. Oh wait, it's 2.0 rebounds per game that screams NBA starter? How is the fuck should Thybulle be starting instead of Sharpe or Rupert or Camara or anyone really. Remember, it's 2).

    PICK A LANE PEOPLE.
     
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    It's fine to have a defensive specialist, but Thybulle is literally one of the worst offensive players in the league, if you look just at scoring output per minute, and he's another weak rebounder. I think people get a bit carried away with measurements, but I think the overall affect of having an undersized team matters. He was benched by team Australia. He scored 14 points TOTAL in the entire tournament.

    The Blazers need to find a PF so Grant can be moved to SF. I think Ayton and Williams could play together, but Williams can't play that many minutes....
     
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