Warriors Klay + Kuminga + GSW '27 1st for LaVine + Craig + Wainright Warriors move off Klay and get LaVine. The Warriors would not have to worry about Klay's extension moving forward. They have to give up on Kuminga and a first. They also save ~$5m + the resulting tax. Portland Brogdon + Wainright + GSW '24 1st for Kuminga + Fultz + DEN '25 1st (via ORL) Trailblazers take a swing at Kuminga to see if he fits long term. Fultz can either be the 4th guard or be used as trade bait for future moves. Portland also pushes the pick back a year into a stronger draft. Chicago LaVine + Craig for Thompson + Schofield (convert from 2-way) + GSW '24 (via POR) + GSW '27 Bulls get Klay's expiring contract while dumping LaVine's. They get a chance to evaluate him with the chance of resigning him at an appropriate salary (without the emotional baggage of past years). Craig is included to keep below the tax & Schofield is a reasonable 2-way prospect that can be converted to a regular roster while staying below the tax. The big 'win' here for the Bulls are the picks. Orlando Fultz + Schofield (2-way) + DEN '25 for Brogdon Magic get someone to help steady their guard rotation and push for playoff wins.
In the proposed deal, the pick would be going to Chicago, so we wouldn't care if it was any good. Brogdon and the GSW 1st is basically everything we got for Holiday (RW3 is a lost cause). I guess Kuminga, Fultz and a Denver 1st isn't terrible, but that pick will probably be between 25-30 next year, so that's not really a great asset. Plus, if we're sending the GSW pick to Chicago, I want our pick back.
Have you really looked at this year's draft? Even if the pick was 'good' and ended up being #12 -> the talent in this draft is sub-par. I would much rather have Kuminga than anything after #10 this year.
Visual representation (plus I put us getting our pick back from CHI, 'cause I said so!) As I'm sure you know, this fails prior to 12/15 because Craig was signed this offseason.
I don't think even Steve Kerr knows since he doesn't even put him in the rotation most nights. I like him, but as far as value goes, he's not someone I'd give a lot for.
I don’t think the talent is sub par. I think this draft is missing the true star caliber players. There isn’t a Wemby. If you stack this up against a draft like even 2022, it’s missing that high end talent, but I think there could easily be people who are better than Kuminga.
for the next contention trajectory do the blazers still need to draft a #1 option or should they be content targeting #2, #3 options?
Agreed....no known star. But it is way too early to know if there are any Shaedon Sharpes or Devin Bookers out there who never started a game in college, yet still had a lot of potential. It is hard to know just yet.
I’ve looked at this class, and I would not trade a possible lotto pick for Kuminga. Warriors are still holding out hope that trading Kuminga can land them a star. They’re treating him like Lakers fans were thinking about THT. Kuminga obviously looks a lot better of a prospect than THT, but Brogdon is also a much better player than PatBev. The narrative that Kuminga will land a star in GS needs to just go away before I’m able to even think about acquiring Kuminga. If the Raptors are willing to give up Siakam for Kuminga, are we really in a position to try and win a bidding war for him? Your thought on the draft is the same reasons teams like Brooklyn give up chances on the Dames of the world. Their GM only protected the pick 1-3 because he only thought AD, MKG, and Beal were franchise players. Keep in mind, this trade happened near the deadline, not early December. The Dame draft was also considered a poor draft prior to draft night, outside of the grand prize of AD. In hindsight, it turned out to be exactly what we thought, or a little better. Two true all stars in Dame and AD. Beal was the franchise for awhile but not a true franchise player. A couple 2nd round gems like Draymond and Middleton. Outside of that, a LOT of guys bust. Meyers, MKG, Waiters, Fab Melo, Royce White didn’t even play in a single game, etc.
Nets GM about the ‘12 draft: we only see three franchise altering players in this draft That was after trading a top 3 protected 1st to us at the deadline. That turned out to be a stupid mistake. It’s only early December.
This isn’t nearly what I thought Brogdon was going to cost. So in the end, he’s worth an expiring, a pick between 25-30 next year, and a player that’s not even good enough to have a guaranteed deal in the league? Magic have everything to love about this deal. If I’m the Bulls, I love this deal too—Klay’s huge contract will be off the books, and they are likely looking at two picks between end of the lotto and 20 in both years. Getting our first back is the only way to make this trade look like we don’t get shafted. I don’t think you’re actually going anywhere with that one lol.
Would you be content with Shae being our #1 option going forward? If the answer is yes, then you’ve just answered your own question. Too many alpha dogs or guys that think they’re the #1 option becomes a problem eventually (see: Russ/KD, Harden/Howard, plenty more examples). I’d be perfectly content with finding the best #3 options AND making this the deepest bench in the league by the time we can contend. Sarr is the one guy that we can look at as a #1 option. Outside of him, I’m not so sure. I do think guys like Buzelis and Castle can be great third options.
What can Kuminga be to you? How much is his next extension going to be worth? These are all questions I’d have before trading for him.
I love shae but I think he's a tick more of a jalen than a jayson. was just curious what other folks thought. that lies in contrast of high lottery picks—you want to go starhunting in that range (and i say that as a huge ryan dunn fan). the concern is that there may not be those stars in the top 10.
future starting forward. fits perfectly with ant/shaedon/tou/ayton. (replace ant with scoot when he earns the spot).
Size and ability, sure he fits perfectly on any team including the Warriors who desperately need more quality in their frontcourt. Their struggles with him center around him not focusing on the things that would benefit the team most... rebounding, running the floor, defense, moving the ball, taking only open shots. Instead he wants to go one on one every time it's swung to him and coasts on Big man stuff. If he ever gets his head on straight he's going to be a load, but he's not there yet which is why they limit his minutes. STOMP
How do you already know Kuminga is the perfect fit. I’d argue if Kuminga never becomes a decent 3 point shooter (he hasn’t even averaged 1 make a game in his career yet) he’s not the perfect fit with that lineup. Again, I’m not against bringing Kuminga here, he’s definitely the kind of swing-low player I would look at bringing in. The key term would be swing-low though. So no, I wouldn’t be interested in giving up the GSW pick though. But this is a scenario in which I would give up a 1st: We trade Grant to Indy for Hield, Toppin, the ‘24 OKC 1st, and a protected ‘25 IND 1st. Warriors aren’t trading Kuminga unless a star comes back imo. If Warriors pursue Siakam or OG (and inevitably give up Kuminga), we can try to swing the ‘24 OKC 1st and Kris to Toronto for Kuminga and some 2nds. This, I would do. Any more than this, we’re just better off waiting to see what he is at the end of his fourth season. He’ll be a restricted FA the summer after this one.
