Yeah, I think it's OK for people to buy that Joe was trying to get Dame help but I don't buy it for a second. I don't think he tried to trade Scoot, I have no idea when he decided to rebuild but I think it was decided before the draft. People that point towards Jerami's signing probably don't have much longer to do so because when we get a good return for Jerami by the trade deadline it will be obvious that we re-signed him not to keep Dame but to retain his value.
For comparing what was available to the Trail Blazers, it's just the opposite. The only comparisons are players the Blazers could have drafted. They could not have drafted Wemby and Miller.
I think Joe still wanted to keep Dame. But I think he knew Dame was gone unless he hit a home run. And a home run was going to be near impossible with the Dame uncertainty.
I recall it being pretty much a consensus that it was a three person draft and everyone else was a tier below. I also recall the narrative that if it weren't for Wemby, Scoot would possibly be a number 1. Scoot was touted as ready to go. I recall @illmatic99 posting fairly thoroughly on this topic, explaining how ignite should be regarded as a higher caliber of prospective players than the league the twins came from, which weren't much different than highschoolers? I don't recall the thread, so it would likely be hard to dig up.
I saw this posted, wanted to reply, but I was out. I skimmed through some of the replies to this but they’re long asf and I’m not trying to get worked up over anything lol. This post with stats disregard any kind of context. We can also do it like this, since it was a three person draft… Wemby - 19 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 27.8% from three, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks Miller - 14.8 ppg, 43.5% from the field, 39.5% from three, 4.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks Scoot - 11.1 ppg, 37% from the field, 24% from three, 4.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks So..... are people still freaking out about taking Scoot? The post would’ve been just as shoddy, but it would’ve made more sense.
I say this as a huge supporter or the twins, neither were going to get Dame to stay lol. Dame wanted that pick traded for a win-now player. You could argue that maybe Dame would’ve stayed had the pick been Brandon Miller, but that wasn’t possible anyway. Dame was gone, pretty much regardless of who was going to be picked.
Nobody was putting Scoot on the same tier as Wemby. Nobody. So if he's a tier above the Thompsons, he was a tier below Wemby. So then it's just Miller and Scoot on the same tier? And if that's the case, while Miller has looked better than Scoot, I still think he's just another wing. He's doing what everyone thought he would do. He can shoot it. That's great. He wasn't there for us. The Thompson twins were. So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?
Had Dame stayed and Joe drafted Wemby, POR would still not be a contender. Dame has a better chance for a ring in MIL than if POR had Wemby.
I didn’t miss the question. I got what he was trying to say. I wasn’t in the group that was ‘freaking out’ about not picking a twin. I’m just assuming he meant people who supported drafting Amen in general, but even then, I’m not sure why you can’t support Scoot and still think the twins will be good. I was just pointing out the using stats without pointing out that Amen has been even more injured as Scoot and stuff like that and then asking that question is a little shoddy. Y’know? Was the post suppose to make people take sides? I just don’t get it. Yeah, I’d still love Amen on this team, Ant and Shae’s shooting with his playmaking would be awesome. I’m also happy Scoot’s playing better.
Did you think Scoot would be an all star in his rookie season? He’s 19. He’s a year younger than the twins. The hype was a little premature about him.
That had nothing to do with your original statement. Yes, the hype was premature. No, I didn’t think he was going to be a star. Age doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s not a 3-4 age gap, they’re either in the same HS class or in back-to-back classes. “So why wouldn't we compare Scoot as a project to the twins?” The twins were seen as projects and Scoot was not. I’m really not gonna waste energy arguing that with anyone. The fact is, if Scoot was a project, people would not be discrediting him as a prospect this early. Anyways, I like Scoot.
Depends on how you define project because I don't think anyone would have called them a project in the same way that Rayan Rupert is a project. I think people projected that they weren't ready to start yet, and while Scoot struggled in his first 10 or so games, he has done much better lately. I think he could easily move back into the starting lineup. He just happens to be playing behind other guards who have more experience and are also very talented.
I would say the likelihood of us trading the pick would’ve increased if we drafted one of the twins. I would also say Dame would’ve been more likely to stay. He did, after all, want to stay in PDX when it was clear he wasn’t gonna be traded to Miami. Cronin essentially said fuck you because we had Scoot. If we didn’t have Scoot… He probably doesn’t say fuck you.
Because Scoot wasn’t considered a project. As far as “tiers”, I meant Scoot, Miller and Wemby were the 3 who were considered ready to impact winning NOW. The twins were not seen like that.
