Its not about wants, property or things/valuables in a current world definition. It's about needs, which become the most valuable in a situation of anarchy and lawlessness. I have one gallon of water left to survive with and three strips of dried meat. If I don't keep this and intake it to maintain energy to find more food I die. Am I going to let someone come in and raid my shit including my bare essentials? I'm sorry but if someone forcibly enters my property and demands my lifeblood essentials, they either leave or get shot, possibly killed. They made a choice to try to take survival essentials from another instead of scavage for thier own or create a dialogue of trade with others. It's brutal, I know. Its also survival. We are so caught up in our modern world that we have no clue how fragile our system is and if it derails, one is a fool if one thinks that everyone is going to sing rhymes and share everything equally. It will be a battle of the haves and have nots and as sad as it is, the weak and defenseless ALWAYS lose. Sly, you are one of the best people I know. I know were not tight, but you are always trying to help others and going out of your way, sacrificing your time on a regular basis for others with no ask or expectation of anything in return. People like you need to survive if the shit truly hits the fan. You would always have a refuge on my property and if you don't want to arm yourself, that's okay. I would gladly take up arms in your defense if people tried to take your survival essential's from you. In the mean time, the lyrics to the latest song i'm working on I just wrote tonight: I turn on the tele lookin' to open my eyes to what's going on outside all I see is the great divide... I can't believe... My friends, my brethren trying to tear each other down an eye for an eye but we've gotta unite If we want to stop this great divide Black or white, Dull or bright Short or tall, Big or small I love you all so please don't fall off the God damn wall we can tear it down, we can make it right we can hold our hands and STOP THE FIGHT I'm telling you we need to unite to stop the great divide.... I feel your pain, but.. we've gotta put it away Embrace a new way we've gotta unite... to stop the great divide...
A Florida woman holding her 11 month old baby was shot and killed by her 14 year old brother. The boy was having an argument with another brother, age 15. The younger boy shot his sister after she told the boys to stop arguing because it was Christmas Eve. The older boy then shot and injured his younger brother. Florida, where woke, children and mothers go to die!
Generally when there are times of trouble, people help each other instead of devolving into an every-man-for-himself situation. If it were as you suggest, civilization would have ended long ago. Your chances of accidentally shooting yourself in the balls is vastly higher than your chance of ever shooting a neighbor trying to steal your stuff because civil society has collapsed. barfo
There are roughly 1.67 million defensive gun uses per year in the US. Over 14x the number of all gun injuries. Virtually nobody owns guns with the intent to shoot people.
I'm curious, what counts as a 'defensive gun use'? I guess waving it around must count, because there's no way that 1.67 million bad guys get shot at per year (especially if you exclude gangbangers shooting at each other)? Is there any attempt to exclude cases where waving a gun around wasn't actually necessary? I was responding to SharpeScooterShooter who was very much saying he wanted guns in order to shoot people. Hell, "shooter" is right there in his name Are you calling him a virtual nobody? barfo
If someone presents themselves in a way that threatens the life of me or my family (or friend or hell, even random innocent person)…they might get smoked. It's just the way it is. If someone wants to be a violent person that's the territory that behavior comes with.
You can see the link above. It includes any time somebody felt threatened and used a gun to eliminate or alleviate the threat. It certainly could have been just waving it around. That's a far better result than shooting and/or killing somebody isn't it? Unfortunately police don't respond to actual crimes, so getting them to keep stats on this is not possible. It is self reported. I don't think he was saying he wanted to shoot anybody.
http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/5621466/ It wasn't today, I guess it's a page back now. I didn't want to keep spamming the same link.
Settle down guys, all of us were born, raised and lived our entire lives on the planet earth. Barfo has the advantage on us, since he came from another planet. Nothing he describes resembles anything on earth, anywhere. Which planet is Barfo from? He left some clues. He does not need to protect any females from harm, since they wear a protective layer of bulletproof silicone and botox. Men protect themselves with a shield like device that resembles a purse. I have no idea which planet Barfo came from. But it appears to be the only planet in the universe with a lot of stars and everyone is good and honest. We only have one star, and a lot of evil selfish people.
Yeah? history says otherwise for the most part. Power outage riots? Sure, we come together if someone else attacked us, 911. But when it’s from within and it could be your neighbor supporting the coup? im not going to apologize for the willingness to end another’s life if they are trying to take my survival essentials, threaten to harm my family or any of the like. I’m not shooting at someone stealing my car as he pulls out of my driveway. Survival is a basic instinct. I’m tired of people trying to make some out as evil for being willing to choose survival over death. When it’s me or them, I’ll chose me. And when so many of them have guns, and if/when it comes down to it, I’m going to be prepared. Simple.
Not sure what power outage you are referring to. My power went out for an hour last week, I didn't go on a rampage. Not trying to suggest any evil on your part, or asking you to apologize. What do you think the odds are that (a) an event like that happens; (b) you see them coming; and (c) you are able to out-gun them? I'd guess very very close to zero. Do you prepare for every vanishingly small possibility? Do you have a bomb shelter? Do you take your own air everywhere in case there is a leak of toxic gas? Test water every time you take a drink to make sure no one has poisoned it? Just seems weird to me to be obsessed with this one particular long-shot scenario when there are so many more likely ways to meet your maker. I'd spend more time worrying about heart attacks, car accidents, slipping in the bathtub, etc. But maybe that's just me. barfo
How much time do you think somebody spends buying a gun? Most people spend far more time trying to prevent heart attacks than they spend on guns, even those who train with guns don't usually spend as much time with with guns as they do working out. Buying and securing a gun and training with it really doesn't take much time at all. The biggest obstacle is honestly cost, due largely to efforts to unfairly restrict the poor and minorities.
Apples and oranges. There aren’t millions of toxic gas capsules floating around, many owned by criminals. The only thing near zero is the percentage of similarity in what I said vs what you said. No, the world may not end and it doesn’t need to, to have a crazy break into my home and do whatever harm to me or my loved ones. It happens all the time. Read the news. And yes, as phats pointed out. We spend much more time trying to prevent/ stop our own death in other ways. What I see is tunnel vision by many who are anti gun. Fixated on the gun and not the mind behind the gun. Everyone gets on Musk for his inventions or decisions being bad. No one is looking to ban twitter or spaceX. If you would just focus on legislature that helps the mentally ill, getting them off the streets so they aren’t a harm to themselves or others( this includes drug addicts) there would be far less shootings and safer common spaces for all. Instead some maintain focus on an intangible solution. There is about zero percent chance that guns will be taken from only bad people if we ban them. no one ever answers the question when asked. Ban all guns and only criminals have guns. Is that what you want? Only criminals with guns? because that is what will happen.
