Sorry Barfo. I don’t mean to be snarky to you directly per say, but when it is often painted around here by other anti gun advocates that pro gun advocates are okay with mass shootings, etc, it’s hard not to turn and sweep all anti gun advocates in the same manner. You have not done so that I have read, but some on here have a level of snark to any pro gun member here that they word play as if we want such evil things. Just reread this thread. It’s everywhere. I find it a bit ironic that some of the same people who do this also do it with republicans or past trump voters. just a blanket sweep. So forgive me if I’m tired of pointing out the nuances and details involved in the debate and have joined the lower level of communication that has been so prevalent from the other side, for so long… I’m now of the opinion all anti gun advocates are supporters of crime and criminals. As that will be the end result of the gun banning agenda. If others can simplify things as such, so can I.
Being in favor of banning something is equivalent to supporting criminals, since by definition only criminals will do the banned thing. If we repeal all laws, we will have a crime-free society! Utopia. barfo
Nobody (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people. However, if we were to re-focus the effort and funds that we put into further restricting guns into universal education, universal healthcare, and/or a world leading social safety net we'd reduce crime far more than any increased restriction (including gun control) possibly could.
Nobody (in this thread) said anyone (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people. If we could harness and refocus the sex drive of 17 year old boys, we could probably power the entire electrical grid for free. Let's wave our "magic wands" around and make it so! In the meantime, though, I guess we'll still need to develop and maintain other energy sources. As we've discussed before, I don't really buy the argument that gun control advocacy is what's preventing us from having universal healthcare. barfo
Not sure that really clarifies the situation, since anything that is outlawed by definition isn't a right, and anything that isn't outlawed is a right. barfo
Excellent, then there is no need to deal in absolutes like some sort of Sith. There will always be guns. In fact, even as gun control has been expanded more people are buying more guns. Gun control efforts are not specifically preventing anything, I agree. But since further gun control has proven to be largely ineffective, efforts to expand gun control are wasting political capital that could be going to other things. Things which aren't hard coded into American law. And since there is a finite amount of political capital it seems logical to encourage law makers to eliminate waste it on laws which are ineffective and needlessly erode the rights of law abiding Americans.
Yeah, odds of that happening in our lifetime is about the same as reducing violent crime or murder rates with gun restrictions. Good comparison.
Another school shooting https://www.yahoo.com/news/perry-hi...-police-confirm-active-shooter-153757524.html
There would be completely different proposals from both sides if either side were actually interested in addressing this problem in any real way.
