Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Frankly, something does need to be done about managing the border. My relative in Yuma (staunch liberal) says it's as bad as ever, she's approx. 1 mile from border. She's always helped those coming across the best she can but says something needs to be done.
     
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    Yes. Make it legal. Have them build housing for themselves and work the transition towns for themselves. Provide the supplies and even allow industry to move in so they can earn money while they wait. Get them documented. Then once they are fully vetted and documented let them go where they want.

    The only people who will be crossing illegally will be criminals. Since all law abiding people will be coming in legally and being checked and documented the criminals will not be able to hide among the crowds. Drones will be able to easily spot them in the desert and they will be easy to pick up.

    But that would take somebody who actually wants to solve the problem rather than argue about it.
     
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    agree, in that it should be governed based on legal entry, more efficiently. I am opposed to open borders, but very pro immigration. All things need to be managed appropriately and that border hasn't been for years, imo.
     
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    I'm honestly not sure what open borders are. The only people I ever hear talking about that are republicans, but they obviously don't get into detail. Other than what amounts to "brown guy bad".

    But what we have now is artificial scarcity that relies on mexico allowing people to leave the country. And it just makes us look bad and increases the divide among us. With a little oversight from the US we could have border town that almost fully run themselves and are a huge benefit to the US economy. And they could completely solve the "border problem".
     
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    Potential disadvantages of open borders include increased competition for jobs and resources, strain on social services and infrastructure, and potential security risks.
     
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    Having our US controlled and protected border towns would address all of these issues.

    And we're going to be begging for working age people for the next 25 years or so as boomers continue their exodus from the labor market and move into their retirement home stage...

    So I suggest we get on it...

    And that shortage isn't going to end unless our young people start having a lot more kids. Which isn't going to happen. We're going to need an influx of immigration just to prevent a lot of suffering.
     
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    That seems reasonable to me. It would require a substantial capital investment though so I don't see it happening.
     
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    Not much, really. They'll all pay taxes. Just need material and guidance. Heck, lend the early ones the money to build it and we'll even make money on supplying the materials.

    All we have to do is oversee it and it'll be a cash cow almost from day 1.
     
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    I'm not following... Are you advocating having the immigrants coming across the border build their own border towns? I don't see that happening. No expertise and no money.
     
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    We have expertise (not to mention there is a ton of expertise fleeing war, coming across the border). We don't have the labor. They definitely have the labor. We have plenty of money. And they will nearly all make money there, in one way or another. And those looking for a new start would likely be eager to get in on the ground floor of what would likely be a huge hub in no time.

    There will be need of services, commerce, food, and again, some manufacturing could move in for better paying jobs as well.

    There is no reason it wouldn't work and fully support itself. You live there for a while for your papers to come through then you can move into the US legally.

    It's going to be a desirable place for a lot of people to be. Therefore, there will be opportunities for commerce.

    We'll make money on the deal.
     
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    I agree with most of what you're saying. However, it still requires a substantial initial investment in my opinion. Whether it eventually pays for itself is not the point. A substantial amount of money would need to be allocated for this and I don't see that happening.
     
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    You just have them do bonds. They'll be their own cities.

    It's not going to happen, but not because of the investment. It's because neither side actually wants to solve it.
     
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    If they had surrendered like they were supposed to...
     
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    It's so annoying when people stand up for themselves...
     
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    Russia firing missiles into Kiev residential areas. How will this war end?
     
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    Kinda thinking Ukraine needs to get ahold of some missiles that can hit Moscow...

    Maybe some Tomahawk Cruise Missiles are in order?

    Or maybe a few of these... it's been a few years since the article, we must have something like this that could... I dunno... go missing, or something...
     
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    They already manufacture their own large drones that can hit Moscow and in fact just hit a gas processing port even further away, near St, Petersburg. They are also working on manyfacturing missiles that go that far. But mostly they just need to cut supply lines to the front. They just need more long range missiles from the USA, only to hit targets inside occupied territories. If they can cut off Crimea, they can win the war.
     
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    I hope that the russians didn't lure the Ukrainians into shooting down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs., but I fear that's what happened. This would be a new low even for the most cynical, cruel and terroristic nation on earth. It breaks my heart.
    Russia accuses Kyiv of downing IL-76 with 65 Ukrainian POWs on board, no official statement from Ukraine
    https://english.nv.ua/nation/kyiv-c...ic-to-wait-for-official-comment-50386872.html
     
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    Yeah, need to put thw fear of retribution into Moscow. Every time you hit Ukraine, Moscow is getting hit as well.
     

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