Exclusive NBA Trade Deadline Thread 2024

There are two types of losing.

Losing but gaining experience to improve play

Losing and not gaining experience to improve play

I'm seeing more of the second than the first. Same mistakes game after game. Spacing is complete shit. Passing in the paint is terrible because of this. Just one of many issues this team has that they are not improving on when they can, regardless of the end result of the game. I'm seeing no improvements in almost anything.

 

I agreed with this. A quality vet on a team meant to mentor the youth doesn't even really need to see the court. they just need a high basketball IQ a friendly caring personality and the ability to show the young guys the ropes of the league OFF the court.

Just listened to that JJ Reddick interview with Ant and they touched upon the mentoring aspect. Its huge for young guys.

 

Is Lowry going to be as willing to accept that role though? Hard to say. I did not think CP3 was going to work in OKC and he embraced it. He was able to start though.

 

I think you’re taking this to places it doesn’t have to go lol. Yeah, there are levels of irritation. This is just sports, obviously the level of irritation is at the bottom of the totem pole. But inconsistency irritates me nonetheless.

I feel like you’re getting a little defensive in thinking I’m speaking directly to you, when I’m not, so you can chillax lol. I wasn’t speaking about anything in regards to trading Dame. Your opinion probably changed in a matter of months, not game-to-game. There are people who don’t actually know what they want, they think winning a couple games with the vets in makes us closer to competing than they thing. When we lose, the vets are shooting too much, Brogdon dribbles too much, etc. The reality is, we were going to be bad with or without the vets, if you believed the vets should still be here because ‘vet leadership’, whether or not we win or lose a few more games shouldn’t matter. Personality of the vet is what determines his level of vet leadership, not whether or not a vet can contribute on the floor for 30mpg.

You’re right, people are allowed to change their minds. Changing your mind is a constant reminder to yourself that you’re still thinking. But I can read some of these comments and tell that they’re aren’t, lol. That’s just me though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

 

Okay fair enough, and you are correct, my mind has changed some over months, not game to game. Thanks for clarifying the irritation. I absolutely thought you meant me directly and I think i've been fairly consistent in my desires and opinion of the team.

I did want vets on the team to help the youngsters, but there are many types of vets and I wonder if the day to day flipfloppers you touch on are not clear on what a good vet vs a bad vet for this team would be.

 

That might be the case, but there isn’t really a fix until the young guys get better at making reads and other facets of the game. You could fire Chauncey today, I don’t see that happening. You could have a firesale on whatever vets you want to trade, that’s more likely.

Maybe Chauncey isn’t that dude. Someone mentioned on Reddit how Edwards didn’t ascend until year 2 until Flip Saunders was gone. Who knows. I just don’t want the losing to always bring on bad reactions. We already know the guys who are our cornerstones are still raw as hell. It seems like I’m one of the few that are feeling upbeat about everything lol.

 

The difference is that no one was going to trade for CP3 anyway, so he was really left with no choice. Yeah, Lowry would want to just stop winning rings. But he has a relationship with Chauncey. If Chauncey assures Lowry that his career is already cemented and we give him, idk, a one year $10m contract, he might want to come. That contract is easily moveable if he wants to be gone next deadline to compete with a contender.

He’s also just one name. There are other vets. As I’ve said before, the term ‘vet’ has just been convoluted into something too complicated.

 

Im a bit torn on Billups. Ive liked the hire from the get go based on his defensive emphasis. I like how he grabs guys heading out of the gamer and explains things to them right then and there, situationally. I like his calm demeanor overall. I am starting to question his offensive coaching, but then I think evaluating a coach is very difficult. How does one know the coach is bad vs the players just not following the coach even if they are trying to?

Do we have high BBIQ players? I agree with you. I think changing the coach will have less of an impact than a change of the vets. But I could very well be wrong and Spoeltra may have this team in the play in if he were here.

What I do know is there are no absolutely correct answers from fans. even if we think we are in the know, we aren't. We have no clue what is being worked on during practices, what's being emphasized in the film room, etc.

 

I meant from the outset when he was hired and brought in. I liked the thought of defense being an emphasis. Have I seen it? At times. But the Injuries and rotations play a big part of team defensw cohesion.
FYI. I left defense spelled wrong. I had it just as I have it in the fyi, but I was autocorrected to defensw????
Wtf? lol.

 

Should the Blazers be interested?

 

Kessler or bust.

 

I think POR should make everyone on the roster available. Need FRPs. I think it's becoming clearer the team doesn't likely have a bona fide all-nba franchise guy. The team has no leader.

 

Everyone should be available but I think both Scoot and Shae have all-nba potential. Scoot definitely could be a leader. I don’t think they’re untouchable just probably more valuable to us than others. I actually hope we trade Ant, Tisse, Deandre and obviously both Malcolm and Jerami.

 

One team I had not thought about as a landing spot for Lavine is Golden St. That might make sense for them sooner than later.

 

I hope not. I don’t want to see GS get better.

 

LaVine to the Lakers for D’Angelo Russell trade makes sense.

 

For God’s sake, no. So we’re going from ‘vet leadership’ to outright trading for stars now?

I forgot, we need to acquire AS players to establish a winning culture.

 

Scoot definitely looks like a leader to me. He’s still a legit bonafide PG. Even the most talented teams struggle without a true PG. The Suns have three AS players, but they’re struggling, even with Booker diming it than he’s ever had in his career. His playmaking has been IMPRESSIVE, we’d be very lucky if Shae was ever that level of playmaker, but Booker still isn’t a true PG.

We’re going to need Scoot down the line. We already drafted him, I’m trying to milk everything out of his potential for the next 2.5 years before I consider anything. Killian Hayes has gotten more of a chance with Detroit, Scoot is an infinitely better prospect.

 

Everyone up in arms about losing in horrific fashion, ask yourselves: would you rather be the Jazz right now?

They’re much better than us despite also being a lotto team. They have an AS, and abunch of guys like Sexton/Clarkson/etc, dudes like Grant and Brogdon.

We have Shae and Scoot, who we hope have superstar potential. The Jazz aren’t really even playing Hendricks, who I really like, but he’s not a franchise player. This isn’t really a draft year to mention this, but we currently have two lotto picks, while they could possibly lose theirs to OKC because they want to push for a play-in. Regardless though, having two high picks compared to zero in ANY draft offers more stabs at an impactful player, even if scouts are predicting no star potential guys.

I’m willing to bet probably a pair of 100 level tickets that in 3-4 years, we are in a better spot than the Jazz, simply because we didn’t delay the tank as long as the Jazz seem to be doing.