Bust a Scoot?

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  1. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Can't people just talk ffs? Other than @AldoTrapani people here want Scoot to do well. We're/they're venting, and when he plays better, we'll/they'll vent much less and be much happier and optimistic. Being a fan is frustrating. You've gotta have an outlet.

    Edit: I'm not trying to be a dick @AldoTrapani. I have no problem with your position even when I disagree. You're just the perfect example sometimes.
     
  2. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    I certainly see it that way but I'm just a fan watching. If I can see this problem there is no doubt a coach who sees this and the scouting report has to have it.
     
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    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    I always marveled at Dame's improvement at the rim after his first couple of seasons. I expect the same from Scoot. You can't teach his innate savviness. Once he (uses his left effectively and) figures out the seams and what works and what doesn't, he's going to be much more efficient.
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    To me, improving his three point shooting would have been a MUCH more difficult task. Shooting can be completely in your head. Working on his handle/finishing is more about muscle memory.
     
  5. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Id put that more on previous coaching staffs. Ignite league team?
     
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    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    But shooting can be improved through repetition without others involvement required other than coaching staff evaluating and recommending.
    Drills finishing at the rim are so much harder to replicate in practice. I think you have it backwards. :)
     
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  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    So you're suggesting that he was simply unaware that being able to dribble or make a layup with his left hand would be important skills to have in the NBA? That he never knew because nobody ever told him?
     
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  8. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Not at all. Are you suggesting coaches aren’t needed to help players with proper drills to help the players get over their weaknesses?
    If so why do teams have coaching/training staffs?

    that’s like saying I’m weak at math but don’t need teachers to help me improve.
    Self knowledge of weaknesses doesn’t typically come with answers of how to correct or all players would be perfect in every aspect, no? ;)
     
  9. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Is there any point you think a player is responsible for their own game?
     
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    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Of course. But let’s get real. Young guys get with older vets all the time in the offseason to help them work on deficiencies. They get with coaches and mentors to help them improve the team. teams hire specific coaches to help their players in this regard as well.
    The kids is 19 and learning the nba ropes.
    Give him time.

    This is like saying Ant sucks at D why? Why hasn’t he fixed it?
    But yet I e heard over and over how we should hire defensive coaches to help. Why? Why isn’t it the players responsibility to figure it out?

    there are coaches and trainers for a reason.
    Again. Give him time.
     
  11. Tince

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    I certainly wouldn't blame Ant's defensive short-comings on his current or previous coaches. In my opinion, professional athletes are ultimately responsible for their game. This includes Scoot's ability to shoot. If he's unhappy with his shot, he needs to vet/acquire his own shooting coach, and put in the work.
     
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  12. Natebishop3

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    I have seen so many guys who shot threes for hours and it never translated to actual games.

    It's between their ears.
     
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    Ignite pays 19yr olds that kind of money to do so? Highschool ball pays that kind of money to do so? He has been on an nba salary for how long now? How do we know he isn’t in the middle of doing this now?
    I think you guys are asking too much of 16-19 yr old.
    Don’t the vets demand 5-6 figures for some summer work?
    Don’t nba summer workshops cost a lot of money?

    What you just said seems very unrealistic at his age to me.

    Again. Give him some time.
     
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    Fair enough, but would you not agree it’s easier to get shot reps than it is to create layup drills replicating real games?
     
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    Well, firstly, working on your left hand isn't really any harder than putting up shots. There's dribbling drills that he can run over and over and over.

    Working on layups is just about being comfortable, which I have no idea how long that could take. But guys have way too much time to think about shooting threes during a game. That's where the psychology comes in.
     
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    All he has is that righty hard drive under the basket reverse layup (that gets stuffed, a lot). That's it. He has A LOT of work to do this summer.
     
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    It’s all good! I love to be proven wrong. But the kid sucks. I don’t see the hype at all
     
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    I never claimed Scoot isn't working on his shot, I'm not calling him lazy, or anything along those lines. I'm not comfortable blaming is lack of shooting on the Ignite coaches; to me that's lazy.

    I continue to agree that drawing a conclusion Scoot will be a bad shooter forever is unwise. Obviously it would be great if he had good mechanics and better percentages, but I'm hopeful SCOOT will surround himself with the proper trainers and put in the time to get his shot right. He will get the credit if he does and he will need to own the blame if he doesn't.
     
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    Reading this thread always makes me laugh. Just watching other bicker about something that likely won’t even be a huge point of contention in like two seasons.

    If I’m wrong and it is, I’m glad I didn’t spend two filling up headspace with the mistake we made in drafting him lol. But ultimately, that’s the amount of confidence I have in Scoot based on what I’ve seen from him. Still looks like a legit PG, looking 3pt percentage near 35-36% for a good stretch. He was shooting like 85% from the line for like two months before this little stretch post-New Years.
     
  20. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    He was good enough right-handed that the need hadn't arisen until he met NBA-caliber defense. And now that he has (arguably) NBA-caliber coaches working with him, I expect to see a steep progression curve.
     

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