You haven’t proven anything other than you are susceptible to letting your emotions control you. It sure seems there is a corralation with gender identify conflicts and emotional maturity. I could be wrong… but experiences says I’m right. I will say you are doing a fantastic job at pushing people to vote that you have no voice at all. Great job! Good luck with you.
Jesus Christ, will you stop with the martyr act already? Being able to copy and paste something XY chromosome something does not make someone a scientist, let alone authority on gender issues.
lol. When all else fails go after grammar and spelling from someone typing with big hands on a phone. You sure put me in my place!!! again. A mature discussion I’m all for. Petty insults I’m not. Carry on…
Yep. My biggest issue as well. There is no room for religion in politics. One of the main reasons I pulled out of the Republican Party and became independent.
hmm if answering questions is starting all this, okay. I started it. lol. I’m also not a democrat and feel the same way when they are bundled together in a negative package. It’s not right.
I'm a Democrat. The party can do alot better than it has. I have considered switching to independent, but I have stuck around. I'm not that happy Biden is running again. But it is what is. I will say only one party is taking peoples civil rights away. I'm glad to not be represented by or be a part of that. Not saying you are. I see you more as conservative than Republican. I will say in response to your other posts, discussion is good, but knowing ones place is important too when looking at topics such as Transgendered peoples, abortions, etc. We aren't trans. We aren't women. We aren't part of the queer community. Can we discuss these things, sure. Can we be allies, yes. Do we really know these things, live them, no. While discussion is good, we are not the authority on those issues.
yeah, conservative may be a more apt term for my stance. I agree 100%. The problem is those( here at least) resort to petty insults rather than recognizing the discussion as a potential to further educate those not in the community. They have the most knowledge, yet refuse to discuss said knowledge, leaving those not in the community to go elsewhere to further educate themselves. Then get mad when one provides the information they have found. If they would simply put their emotions aside and see the discussion as a positive moment, an opportunity, instead of lashing out, it would significantly increase the potential of properly educating others. Instead.. well, just read the responses from those in the community this morning towards me. To me it’s absolutely ridiculous and fairly telling… And so now there is even more divide and less support than there was prior. This is not on me. This is on them. it’s hard to take serious someone who screams wanting to be treated equal but doesn’t provide any information or engage in positive discussion about the details of the topic. I have never ever said anything negative about the lgbtq community and have always been in support of them. However, support only goes so far when those you try to support and understand treat me in such ways. It’s immature, reckless and does nothing to further the equality of all. Like I said prior, if anything, it pushes people away from them and makes people not want to support them. Now this doesn’t go for all. Just my experience here. But experience is experience wherever it comes from. I can safely safe I’ve never cared less for their cause than today, and I’m one who has stood up for them all my life, even against my own personal beliefs of science, because I feel that is what is right. I feel less inclined to support their cause now, and they only have themselves to blame. But I’m sure this post will be followed up by more petty insulting comments lashing out at me rather than positive discussion to try to further educate said discussion.
I get their anger though. Part of that discussion really is looking at two sides of coin, where one side is taking away their rights. They aren't going to want to discuss that side, listen to that side, or be receptive to that side...or for that matter a middle ground. Because for them there is no middle ground. One side is taking away their rights and dehumanizing them and the other is not. That is their reality. And, that to me is very understandable. Look at it this way. If a political party came to be that were bent on stripping away the rights of white straight men, you'd be pissed and wouldn't want to hear about sides or grey areas. I wouldn't either. The lbgtq community and women are there. There is a party taking away their rights and choices. They are pissed and rightfully so. Hearing the opinions, especially of white straight men, who make up most of that party, is not really high on their list. Not surprising. We can do best in understanding and being allies by listening. They need our ear not our opinions.
Well said. However, Dems are pushing for laws which disproportionately restrict the ability of poor and minorities to defend themselves.
These are assumptions made of me though. I’ve stated many times I would never vote for anything that is limiting thier rights. Yet they just assume I actively vote to take thier rights away. I amended the above post, fyi.
As I said, they could do a lot better. There is a lot of corruption on the left just as there is on the right. Both sides pander to corporations and the rich. The left I would argue does more for the poor than the right. We do need to have better systems in place that provide welfare for those in need but also help them build and try and get out of poverty. But, again the great inequality of wealth is always playing against that.
I get that. You have said though you are against or at least disagree with things like abortion and similar issues even though you said you wouldn't vote for laws to take their rights away. That's grey area, middle ground that doesn't exist for them. Either you are for or against it. If you vote for Republicans, which I'm sure as a conservative you have, you vote for people who are against it, and are part of the party taking their rights away and will vote in Congress/Senate a such. I think those here who are part of the LBGTQ community, who are women, etc see you are well meaning. They also aren't going to spend anytime looking at grey areas or otherwise. They aren't going to waste time on niceties when it comes to their rights being taken away. Again for them their are only two sides. And it's very understandable. And, I get it. Like me, you are someone who enjoys having opinions and arguing and reasoning. I think that's part of how we both come to expound on and develop understandings and perceptions of things and issues around us. That's great. But, that doesn't really work for this.
Then that's on them. I personally feel abortion is wrong. But I think its more of a wrong to take that right away from someone. This is no different than me saying something they think is wrong, but still allowing me to say it because to take away my freedom of speech is more wrong. There lack of understanding that someone can disagree with something but still support the right of others to make their own decision on the topic, is ridiculous. I'm not for many things that I would never try to take the right of another to not make their own decision as to whether they feel its right or wrong. If they want to get hung up on my personal opinion compared to what I actually vote, I can't help that. I'm being honest and forth right. Them having an issue with that is on them. Not me. Would they rather people lie to their face and then vote against them? This is kinda frustrating because its showing just how much we are devolving in communication and understanding differences. ( not you and I per say) I disagree they see me as well meaning or they wouldn't toss out petty insults, tell me to fuck off, ignore requests for open mature conversations, etc. Nothing of this dialoge today shows me they understand i'm well meaning. The behavior exhibited is nothing short of a child's tantrum in a store not getting thier candy and allowed to eat it too. I disagree for them there are two sides. There is only one side. Everyone else is the enemy. When one tries to explain to them this is not accurate, they lash out. They don't discuss. Trust me, Things could be MUCH MUCH worse for them than outsiders wanting to enter into constructive dialogue. Just go back 100 years and see how minorities were treated then. Yet its as if nothing has improved and its the end of the world if we don't sit silently and agree with everything they say. The reality is we have progressed in many ways. Yes we still have a long ways to go, but the second half of that journey will never happen if the behavior exhibited is the mainstay of their defense. To me, its saddening that they can not recognize this. They want people to understand without educating those to understand. Its a never ending cycle that accelerates hate from both sides. If anything we will start treading backwards in my opinion.
I hear you. Just telling you the why. When enough people are voting in a way that takes your rights away, that dehumanizes you, everyone around you becomes the enemy until it's clear they aren't. The problem is there a lot of people out there, enough to take their rights away that don't want to understand. They hate them for being LGBTQ or want to control women's reproductive rights. They want their way and that's it. And that's terrifying and repulsive to them.
As a union worker and from a retirement investment perspective Biden has been the best president of my adult life. Sure inflation has been high, but that’s a worldwide issue. I’ve thrived under Biden’s watch. Correlation vs. causation? I dunno. Just my view.
And as a bonus…..my kids haven’t had to wake up to racism and hatred spewing in from all angles. Thats a win/win in my ‘hood.
I feel really bad today because I was literally just doing a bit to try and be funny and failed. "Get your tans talk out of here" was said ironically, in that kind of "stop shoving your identity down my throat" way conservatives whine about queer people existing. But then everyone took it seriously so I had to as well. In a way I was trying to say "stop shoving my identity down your my throat". Sometimes it feels like conservatives have made me being trans a bigger part of their identity than it is of mine. I find that funny, is all. However, emotions are essential to debate, because without emotions, nothing would be worth debating. You don't dispassionately gain voting rights or the right to marry or the right to life-saving care. That doesn't happen with calm voices and quiet words. All of those rights were earned by passionate display. It's in this way that I feel his point is flawed. Being calm doesn't make you right, and being angry doesn't make you wrong.
