What if we trade nobody?

I appreciate the vet leadership that Brogdon brings to the team, and brings to Scoot. I also think if we have two and a half months of it not here, with a deadline trade, we can replace it next season. Brogdon isn't the only veteran in the league. And who knows, one could be acquired in a trade for Brogdon along with a draft pick. Scoot has been working a lot with Pooh Jeter, who himself was an NBA vet. He's not going to go without. I think a mid 1st is fair value, and I would prefer fair value over a need to wait for an overpay. I'm not gonna melt down, but will be annoyed if we hang on to everyone, when this should be an asset acquisition and building season.
Multiple picks will go further, IMO, in turning our team around than one vet for a few months will.

 

“If possible” is the key word in all of this.

You’re debating something you don’t know is even there. So we can debate this all day long.

IF a good haul for Brogdon is there, I’m sure Joe would do it. IF not, no need to just trade him for less his value.

He also has one more year on his contract after this. We don’t have to trade him right now.

His value might be higher in the off-season where he will be a rent player for one year on a team trying to get over the hump. His salary this year and next year is the same. Not like his contract gets worse next season.

At the end of the day, people will bash things without even knowing what is actually there to be had for Brogdon.

I think that’s the whole point SharpeScootShooter is trying to say.

 

Nah wasn’t directed at you, I just meant in general across this forum

 

The post you replied to was doing so, and had been doing so in a backhanded way earlier in the thread.

I'm sorry to have lumped you in as well.

 

Wrong

 

Yep. My posts specifically said for equivalent or better value. I have repeatedly specifically said "not a fire sale". But bringing Brogdon back next season would be a slight checkmark in the negative column for me, especially if he keeps playing big minutes at PG.

The concern is that he has been so injury prone that the longer we keep him the less likely we are to get much value. Also, as Scoot improves the need to trade Brogdon will become more apparent and that will also hurt his value.

With Brogdon, it's kind of a cash in while you can moment, IMO. The best value you can get now is likely to be the best value we'll ever be able to get from him.

 

I don't think Malcolm or Jerami will ever have higher value than they do right now. I really hope we capitalize on this moment. I really think it's the prudent thing. The lessons the both can impart have been taught and I don't care how bad it will make us for the rest of the season. Once Dame was traded and then Jrue was traded it was obvious that Joe is playing the long game and I hope he still has his sights further down the road than a lot of fans in this forum seem to.

 

I think Grant is less pressing, but yes, I agree.

 

A true rebuild you’d want to collect as many picks as possible. It opens doors to be very flexible in future trades and allows to find good players in the draft, if they do their homework. Presti and Ainge have been successful at this.

However, with the drafting of Kris Murray in the first round I’m not so sure I completely trust our front office to knock it out of the park in the draft. He has zero upside and is most likely on his last NBA contract

 

If the offers aren't there neither has to be traded but I think the offers will be and I think if we wait the offers down the line, even at the draft won't be as good for either of them. Obviously Malcolm creates playing time problems for our prospects with the most upside but Jerami might create even bigger stumbling blocks to their growth because when he gets the ball they're not likely to get any kind of rep that possession.

Oh well, we'll see shortly how this thing goes. If either is on the team it will be a headscratcher for me. I don't see the value in wins this season and I definitely don't see the value of sitting someone for the rest of the season who is 30 years old or more unless you're trying to build an immediate winner around that player.

 

I still like Kris. I think he's shown flashes of what he will be and he's had a slower learning curve than his brother at every level but eventually got there. I'm not saying Kris will be our starting 4 or 3 when we are hopefully winning playoff series down the road, but I think he's got a lot to build on once he gets comfortable and more confident. I think he'll be a really good player to have coming off of the bench in the future.

 

Fair enough. What is the preferred position? SF, PF or Center?

I could see a Center, as we don't have allot of those in the backlog for development. But I see a few SF's and PFs that have potential we already have we need to evaluate. So I just don't see trading Brogdon, losing his (my opinion) valued veteran ship for yet another SF or PF, when we have so many needing grooming. And really, we also have Badji and Reath who could develop into solid backup centers. Heck. Reath is pretty much already there.

 

Fair enough.

I think the part we disagree on is his value now is the best it will get. With the new rules in place with regards to cap spending and all that, this off-season will be the best time his value is at his highest, ofcourse unless he gets hurt from now till the offseason.

Teams that want to add Brogdon to their team to get over the hump, if they take him before this trade deadline, will have to account to matching his salary this season and then he is also on the books for them next season too.
Where as if they trade for Brodgon in this offseason, they can match his salary going out in the offseason and he is basically on their payroll for a one year rent. If he gets hurt next season or it doesn’t pan out for whatever team he goes too they can just take him off those books the following offseason.

So I think his value might be higher in this offseason personally.

 

Are all vets that way though? Some selfish players in the league.

Id prefer to keep the steak in the mouth vs drop it in the water of hopes of a larger steak in the reflection, when that's a crapshoot.

I think with the multiple pics we already have in our pocket for the next 6 years, one more middle first is not enough of a difference maker for the value of his admitted dedication to helping Scoot.

 

I agree. I think we can get more for him in the offseason or early next season. People say he is injury prone, but I think the specifics of the injuries somewhat counter that. Given a full year to prove he is healthy I think is also a value that counters the decreased time of his contract. And he can always resign and if traded to a contender and he puts them over the top, likely will resign to keep on winning.

 

Hey SharpeScoot -- in my post to you want to make something clear i came off a tad more hostile towards you then I ment -- i just wanted an opinion over an emoji

I am not a fan of Cronin and sounds like you are but were both entitled to our opinions hope no hard feelings just wanted to clear the air with ya

 

Brogdon played in 75 games his rookie year. Since then, the most he ever played in was 67. He's injury prone. No, it's not one chronic thing like Williams' knee, but the man is injured EVERY year. If that's not prone to injury, I don' know what is.

As for value of now versus offseason...If a team is contending and trades for him now, they get him for 2 playoff runs. If they trade for him in the offseason, they only get him for one. Any team giving up a pick would prefer more than one go at the playoffs with whoever they are acquiring.

In the offseason, it is easier for a team to talk themselves in to the free agent acquisition they an get for cheaper, without giving up a pick, or a draft pick, if circumstances have changed, and they no longer think they can contend, or are just one piece away.

I definitely think his price will never be higher than it is right now.

 

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So I think his value might be higher in this offseason personally.[/QUOTE]

That is a fair argument. I think one could argue either way. The bottom line is I don't think his value is at its peak this week because no one is desperate enough to overpay to get him. Having said that it would be wise for a veteran team to make the Blazers an offer, but my guess is they are waiting until the deadline to see if they can get him cheap.

My guess is the Knicks will trade for him at the deadline for Fornier and a 1st. The Blazers would save 4 million with the trade.
It sounds like the Knicks prefer Brown instead, but I just don't see Ujiri doing it.

 

@Phatguysrule Ditto. you know this right? That post I did tag you but was largely speaking about the forum in general and wasn't just about you?

 

Fair enough. All good.

Hey something that might help you out here, I almost missed this post because you didn't quote or tag me. Not sure what device you use to log in here, but in the bottom right of each post there is a +quote. If you click on that on the post you want to respond to, and then click on add post in the bottom left of where you are typing, it will include the post you are responding to. Just like this reads here. Might help you out in the communication department here.