IF these numbers are correct and not cherry picked for those particulat three years. a likely explanation is that russia often set up their artillery in densely populated areas. Also, knowing the UN, they most likely just took the word of Donbass leaders without verification.
What I'm saying, is that if the media framed this conflict, to be in line with the actual situation, people would not be willing to fight Russia to the death over it. It's not our war. If we get involved, it should have been as negotiators for peace. If two men were having a Bowie knife fight you wouldn't get in the middle of it. Every time we engage in conflict with Russia we're playing "Russian Roulette", and you only get to play that game so many times. So why, over the past 30 years, have we been doing the very things that many forgien policy experts predicted would lead to war with Russia?
You don't just let an aggressive asshole rape whoever he wants repeatedly. Even if he has a gun or a knife. That's not acceptable.
There is no other relevant perspective. It's Ukrainian land. Russia is invading and killing civilians. The right thing to do is help Ukraine defend themselves as long as they are asking us to. These are the only facts that matter. This is actually very simple.
Yes, that's why we are not fighting it. It is Ukraine's war, and I'm pretty sure they have a better idea than you or I about the situation in Ukraine. barfo
Who on earth has ever suggested that Ukraine not be allowed to fight back? We're fighting them via proxy, and you all reacted to the news that we'd be allowing our long range missiles to hit targets in Russia with glee. Those missiles are actually operated by the nations they come from, because they require the background surviellence and targeting technology to launch. Do you understand the concept of escalation?
It might be simple for you, who only understands what the TV tells you. But Russia has a different perspective. When they were promised NATO would not expand to the east in exchange for allowing those states to be independent. Yet since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the policy of the US has been to increase it's dominance to the deteriment and without regard to any other nation. George Kennan and many others warned back in 1997 that will provoke a violent response from Russia. So this isn't just spin-doctoring. And you might think Russia is being stupid for feeling threatened, but they are the ones that were invaded 3 times via Ukraine.
I do. I've not heard of any nukes being fired off, have you? I mean, if we'd started WWIII as you seem to think, surely it would have been in the news? barfo
Since I don't watch TV shows or news you might have to rethink that line of insults. NATO-Russia Founding Act Russia literally signed a treaty in 1997 saying they recognized the right of eastern bloc countries to join NATO. Part of doing that got them agreements from the US not to permanently station troops in those countries. Which is why the US hasn't permanently stationed troops in those countries. Russia is the only one violating treaties here.
Yes. And I support Ukrainian aggressive escalation until Russia withdraws. As soon as Russia withdraws from all of Ukraine and ceases all attacks on Ukraine I will withdraw support for Ukrainian aggression against Russians.
There was never a signed treaty that stated NATO would not enlarge. It was a verbal assurance given to the Russians shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union. The common retort is that it wasn't put to paper, but that's beside the point when we're talking about Russian perspective. The Russians at no point said, "Sure, yeah, expand to our border that's fine." But they have consistently stated how they feel about it, and that Ukraine was a red line. And they publicly declared the intention of Ukraine to join NATO. And it's obvious Ukraine had become a puppet state of the West.
Also, let's not forget the fact that Russia and Ukraine were about to agree to a peace deal, in line with the Minsk accords, and the Boris Johnson torpedo'd it. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are now dead as a result. And we're pushing it further. So if the US/NATO had stayed out of it, the war would likely already be over. We're moving in the opposite direction of peace. Do you think it's because we care about Ukraine? Lloyd Austin flat out said our purpose in the conflict was to drain the power of the Russian military. Biden said our purpose was regime change in Russia.
They literally signed the agreement that said exactly that. You mean they consistently talked about how they wanted to break the treaty they signed regarding Ukraine, even though all of the other relevant parties were upholding their end of the deal. As is Ukraine's right to do, according to the deal Russia signed.
It's pretty well documented. No one disputes these verbal assurances were made. The argument is that it doesn't matter because it wasn't official. The Russians refer back to this often though. See book: Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of Post-Cold War Stalemate.
