Anfernee Simons trade destinations

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Where does Ant land?

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  1. PtldPlatypus

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    Completely understandable. I've been playing the game in my head. My likely responses:
    • All-stars like Zion, AD, KD, etc wouldn't be available for any Simons+ packages we might be able to offer
    • Randle isn't on that tier, but I think the same argument would hold for him
    • Harris probably wouldn't be good enough, and also would require a sign-and-trade, which seems unlikely
    • John Collins seems like a candidate (good rebounder, good shooting percentages) and is available, but I feel like his defensive deficiencies would be exacerbated on this roster. Might be worth a shot
    • Deni Avdija might be an interesting play, but I'd think he still needs more growth before he'd be able to elevate that roster.
    More than anything, rather than shooting down your ideas, I'd just like to know what type/level of player you envision in this kind of deal.
     
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    I’m just confused - Anfernee Simons just turned 25 two weeks ago. We have invested in his grooming and he has become a lights-out shooter who can catch and shoot as well as create his own shot. He is light years better than Scoot and Sharpe - neither of whom don’t play any better defense than Ant…..and now he’s a “vet” that we need to move? Quite frankly Scoot is a bust and while I have seen bursts of exciting athleticism out of Sharp, I just don’t have interest, as a fan, to watch a team made up:
    Scoot / Black / Banton
    Sharpe / Brogdon / Thybulle
    Camara / Knecht / Murray / Rupert
    Walker / Buzelis / Walker
    Duren / Carter / RW3

    Speaking of “horrific,” this group will be seller dwellers for years to come, winning maybe 20 games a year until such time that if even one or two of these guys should rise after the baking, their contracts will be up and they will head off to greener pastures.

    Rebuild to win. Bring along some young guys - like Ant, recognize when your draft pics are a bust and move them, and stop this fake-injury tanking shit that quite frankly is just awful to watch.
     
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    Ainge loves a stockpile of picks and Markenen will be demanding a max salary shortly - so put a package of 3 or 4 first round picks together and perhaps a vet and get a star.

    I’ll get excited seeing a team made up of:

    Ayton / Edey (14) / Williams III
    Markenen / Walker
    Grant / Risacher or Holland
    Ant / Sharpe
    Scoot / Banton / Brogdan

    This team would win 45-55 games if coached well and if they remained healthy. This team is young and has vets in place to win. There are ample youngsters (25 and under) for building a future. And the vets have good contracts for us to move them in one, two, even three years from now.

    rebuild to win! Stop the tank madness
     
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    Yeah clearly Ant is well below that all star tier - its something picks cannot make up.

    Randle is about the best case scenario and even that might require a pick.

    Its much easier to say the Blazer should get "starting forward" for Ant.... when Ant himself might be more of a backup level thats just not clear value he is likely to have.
     
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    According to a Jazz beat writer, the cost to acquire Markkanen is "Something like four or five first-round picks, and a star-level talent coming over". Brogdon and the picks we have available to deal (given the Chicago liability) likely won't get us there.
     
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    I have to admit that Collins was my first thought. Also have to admit that there’s not a deep pool to draw upon at PF. I’ve always liked Bobby Portis’s game, but he’s 29 so not really the guy for the future.
     
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    Just to be clear, I never said that Simons alone would get the job done. Probably multiple players and a first round pick would have to be included.
     
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    I wouldn't be opposed to a Grant/Collins/Ayton frontcourt. My concern with that approach is basically that Scoot/Sharpe aren't ready to lead a team to the playoffs yet, so (as others have said), we'd still be a losing team, but not a losing-enough team for anything good to come of it.
     
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    I'm fine with keeping Ant if we dont get a good young player or pick. But he's paid about what he's worth, so if we can get an asset worth more than its cost and potentially worth much more long term I'd do that change.

    That roster you list would have a ton of losses, but I personally want losses next year for the super strong draft.,

    I'm hoping the young guys would be much more exciting to watch and improve much more. This last season was so disappointing primarily that Scoot and Sharpe were well short of expectations or hope.

    Now I agree on not having injuries the end of the season, those G league rosters were horrible to watch.
     
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    So adding Markkanen raises our wins from 21 to 55?

    Impressive how we added him without trading away salary.
     
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    Or any of this year's picks...
     
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    Any plan has its pitfalls. Our backcourt guys would have to hit a 3 year or so maturing window. But there’s Brogdon and Thybulle as reserves, so I think hitting the playoffs within a couple of years is not unrealistic. I’d rather take that shot than waste 3-4 years of Scoot’s and Sharpe’s young careers.
     
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    So the cost is more than Donovan Mitchell, Paul George, Anthony Davis, or Kevin Durant all were traded for?

    I highly doubt that Ainge shill is giving us a true cost - it's more like the opening negotiations.
     
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    Teams just aren't going to give up a young two way starting level forward for a limited defense backup guard.
     
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    Man, it’s almost as though you don’t read what I post. Kind of makes a conversation difficult.
     
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    I just don't understand any fans that think 10 months after trading away the teams franchise player to rebuild that the team would trade for veterans to win now.

    Add to that an epic draft next year.

    It makes zero sense.
     
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    The Thunder committed 100% to a rebuild, and very aggressively, then had a stretch of only TWO major losing seasons.

    Dipping toes in the water of a rebuild causes much more losing in the long run.
     
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    Ainge is hilarious.
     
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    Markkanen coupled with a backup Center in Edey and using our 7th pick to get a wing (Holland) to play behind Grant. Our backcourt will need the experience of Ant and Brogdan to offer stability for Scoot and Sharpe’s maturation. I would consider combining our two second round picks and moving up some with a focus upon drafting either the best PF available or best true point guard available, however I was impressed with Banton’s play at PG and love his size. I would go as far as to start and groom Banton as our PG of the future and trade Scoot and #7 pick and move up to #2 and try to obtain Ricacher or Sarr! Alternatively, if Utah is not interested in a Markkanen trade with us, then consider trading Anfernee & Williams to the Knicks for Randle and one of NY’s two first round picks (24 or 25). Take 25 + 34 + 40 and trade up to to get best available between say 15-19th. We don’t need an overload of picks
     
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    You really need to start adjusting your trade proposals to make them something you see as significant overpays on the Blazers' part if you want anyone in this forum to respond to them with any degree of seriousness.
     
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