Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    True. As long as Europe is stuck on fossil fuels for their base load Russia will be their most compelling option for natural gas.

    Really the only thing that can change that right now would be Europe going all in on nuclear or geothermal. Both of those would likely take years to decades.

    This is, frankly, expected. You simply can't efficiently transport enough natural gas via ship to compete with pipelines.

    You can't expect Europe to freeze literally and figuratively for years. If they did they wouldn't be able to support Ukrainian defense efforts as well.

    Russia selling natural gas to Europe is basically a strategic wash.
     
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    I want a refund. This hamburger looks nothing like the advertisement.
     
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    You mean, Kyiv didn't really fall in three days?
     
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    Nah, sorry, you don't get to do that. You're one of the ones that was spreading the fantasy that Ukraine was winning, and was certainly going to win.

    People who continue to support this conflict don't care about Ukraine, because it means you support more Ukrainians dying for a lost cause.
     
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    I like how lefties have become pro-death, pro-nuclear war, it goes along well with so many other bat-shit crazy positions they've taken. I'm not saying the right is perfect, but more and more "the right" has simply become a bucket for sane people. Or people who, for whatever reason are able to see through the BS.
     
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    Bullshit
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    And... this whole post is bullshit...

     
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    Russia never claimed that. They never even claimed they wanted Kyiv period.
     
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    The left is now the Bush-era neocon right. The script got flipped and they didn’t notice. The architects of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now beloved contributors on CNN and MSNBC. You’ve got people with pride flags retweeting Bill Kristol and David Frum LOL.
    2024 truly is an alternate universe. The effectiveness of the corporate media is horrifying.
     
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    Exactly. I've lost respect for so many. It's like we're mentally diverging into different species.
     
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    So not the Kremlin or Putin. Alot of uninformed people make alot of ridiculous predictions. Just look at this thread for example, or the US state media many here are parroting verbatim.
    ’could’ is not ‘would’ or ‘will’. It was never a military or official strategic objective. You are playing semantics.
     
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    Help me understand this.

    The two very large airborne assault groups that attacked the Antonov airport, only 6 miles from the capitol of Kyiv were:

    1) lost?
    2) a mirage?
    3) looking for new jobs in Kyiv?


    BTW, were do you get your info about this war from? I study a lot of sources, and NEVER find the info you post.
     
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    Did anybody claim it was a military or official strategic objective? Nope... I'm pretty sure you are the one playing semantics trying to back your way out of your prior comment, which was discussing what was advertised.

    Who does advertising? The media...
     
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    Just a quick update on Putin's goal of building 1,000 passenger aircraft by 2029.

    2 aircraft confirmed built last year. One more built this year to date. Only 997 more to go.
     
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    Putin wouldn't want the headache of having to try and govern Ukraine. They are ethno-nationalists who openly celebrate Nazis. Which is something the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine highly resented.

    He just wants to ensure that Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
     
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    Well he's done a shit job of it. His actions forced Sweden and Finland to join NATO and you can bet Ukraine is going to join as soon as possible.

    Putin has been about the best thing NATO could hope for from a membership standpoint...
     
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