Politics The OFFICIAL Biden vs Trump Debate #1 Thread

I'm sad for the state of our nation, but, I'm going to channel my inner Aragorn and say now is not the time to be faint-hearted. Or maybe Reiner Braun and say I must be the warrior with no road left to follow except the one that leads to the end.

Anyway, the bottom line is this, Biden was a disappointment to me tonight, although I thought he improved as the debate went on. There's no way I can stand passively as an American and not do my part to see Donald Trump does not return to the White House. I honestly feel that would be the end of the grand experiment that is the United States. All the values we often pretended our nation stood for would go completely out the window and once gone wouldn't be coming back. I have no children, but I can't let future generations live through that without fighting to my last breath. I very much believe this.

I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden because Trump's stench is infinitely worse. I'll vote for the Dems replacement if they choose to risk switching candidates (and I have no idea who they'd go to -- as weird as it sounds Michelle Obama is the first person that came to mind that I thought would beat Trump). Whatever they do, the Dems need to come out strongly and unified, because this isn't the time to bicker over differences that compared to the future of our democracy as minuscule. You aren't going to have an opportunity to protest for Israel or Palestine or whatever the issue is when we have minority rule and SCOTUS being 7-2 or 8-1 conservative.

 

I signed up to volunteer.

 

I want RFK JR to win. I just think it's funny how quickly CNN turned on Biden. They've been protecting him for years. Many who are in certain information bubbles haven't been exposed to Biden trying to speak. Those that listen to right leaning sources hear it all the time, because they use it to make fun of Biden.

Anyway, we have much bigger problems. But this was so sad/pathetic/funny....

 

I’m not a Republican, but I’m honestly pretty apathetic to all of it. It’s all such an embarrassment that I’ve given in and I’m more or less just invested in it for entertainment and comical relief.
An arrogant douche vs. a senile child sniffer talking shit about golf games is exactly what we deserve as a lazy, complacent population.

It’s the fall of the empire. Grab a beer and enjoy the show.

 

There's no question they want him to step aside. But I think he might just be too stubborn to do so.

 

I don’t know. When the mockingbird media begins to assert a narrative we generally see that agenda rolled out. These mainstream sources are basically in lock step with the national security apparatus so i honestly think the memo has been sent and the democratic establishment will now begin operation “throw biden under the bus”. Unless of course they deem him useful as a manchurian shell of a human being, which is entirely possible. It’s been working so far.

 

I'm a journalist. CNN isn't nearly as bad as the right presents it. It always has dissenting voices on the right an doesn't fact check them too hard. It even swung hard to the right for a few months a couple of years ago before swinging back.

If Biden was as bad as OAN, etc. presented him, they wouldn't be cropping video of him speaking to skydivers that just landed a few feet from him to make it seem like he was talking to no one.

However, I guess the biggest thing is this ... whether you think a news agency is shielding Biden, right now we have an entire political party trying to protect a candidate they know tried to halt the peaceful transfer of power and has said he'll do things along those lines again, except, this time, all the checks and balances will be eliminate to stop him ... he's learned from his mistakes. That overrides anything else anyone should think about who you are voting for.

It is sad and pathetic, but I don't find it funny as much as terrifying. People who vote for Trump in November could be among his targets by February, because this is a person without an ideology except to enrich himself. If you stand against him for any reason, you because his enemy and his target, and he'll have a large group of people trying to stay on his unpredictable good side that are willing to step on former allies just to remain in his good graces.

 

There’s a stark difference between the two as far as the effects of old age go. Judge Trump on whatever basis you’d like, many of the criticisms are fair. But we have to quit this delusional game of make believe, pretending the two are both suffering from the same level of cognitive decline. One of them is way, way worse and we all know who it is.

 

Yeah, I don't think Newsom is ready yet. Michelle Obama is unthreatening, graceful and has broad appeal, even though she isn't versed in politics. I don't think she'd want to do it, but sometimes duty forces one to do something they don't want to do. And she stands to lose much if Trump were to return to the White House. That would be strong motivation.

I think she's the most powerful political force in the world if she wants to be.

 

No, I don't think that's right. Cognitive decline operates in different ways. Biden might be slowed, but Trump is delusional. Ask anyone working with the aged which of the two is more dangerous.

 

Yep, CNN will always telegraph what the establishment wants to do. Anyone that cares about the Democrats being in power should want Biden to step down. I still think there's some chance Trump himself is just as much a part of the establishment as anyone, and the attacks on him are some kind of charade to keep the public distracted/divided.

 

Wake up dude. Did you just watch the same spectacle as the rest of us? There’s no comparison.

 

Just scanned Twitter. A lot of calls for Michelle Obama to run.

 

I did watch it. I watched a slow guy debating a guy who had no grip on reality. If you can't admit that, then you are too partisan to really discuss this rationally.

 

If it walks likes a swamp creature, talks like a swamp creature, and fills its cabinet with swamp creatures…it might be a swamp creature.

 

They don't want to admit publically that they've been gaslite. The narrative for so long has been that biden's dementia was a "right wing conspiracy". The degree to which people willingly subject themselves to such falsehoods over the past few years has been really disturbing.