Trade Avdija to Blazers

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by RR7, Jun 26, 2024.

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Good trade?

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  3. Maybe

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  1. TBpup

    TBpup Writing Team

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    Tough for those three to take shots from other players when some/all likely won't be here for long.
     
  2. wizenheimer

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    have you heard anything that makes you believe that?
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Cronins own press conference seemed to be a huge indicator.
     
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    Brogdon and the #14 were totally fine to give up. I'm pretty concerned the 2029 pick makes this a bad deal for us. If he continues to shoot the 3 well then it's worth it I just suspect that's unlikely.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    What are the odds that two or three of those picks are lottery picks?
     
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    probably about 50-50. Boston's won't be. But both Portland and Milwaukee could be in the lottery
     
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    Keep the best and worst pick. Trade the middle one if it's that valuable
     
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    The pick that Portland would have to give up is the 2nd best of 3, is that correct? (of Portland, Boston, Milwaukee)
     
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    yeah..Portland gets highest and lowest picks; Wizards get the one in the middle

    I'm trying to wrap my head around if Portland can trade their own 2029 pick or not
     
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    Blazers can't trade exactly their own 2029 pick as Washington may own it, so it's encumbered. Blazers can certainly trade one 2029 pick as their currently guaranteed two picks.

    Blazers could trade both 2029 picks but it would be conditional on not losing 2028 to Chicago.
     
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    We can't trade our pick per se. Now that one of those three pick has been traded and been labeled as "second most favorable" we can now trade either the most favorable or least favorable of ours, the Bucks and the Celts FRPs in 2029. At this time we can't trade both because our 2028 pick is still tied up in the Bulls debacle... fucking Olshey.
     
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    The pick owed to Chicago will be done in 2028, so unless the Avdija trade says otherwise, it looks like they should be able to trade it?

    In 2028, if Chicago hasn't gotten their non-lottery 1st round pick it turns into a 2nd round pick.

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    I don't get what you are saying. First of all we have to have a FRP in 2029 since we could potentially have to give the Bulls our 2028 pick. As far as if the Avdija trade says otherwise... I guess we don't know for sure but Woj said that the outgoing picks is the second most favorable of the three picks we own in 2029... that would mean that we couldn't trade any of them away specifically after the Avdija trade, we can only trade them in relation to their favorability and we now only have one more that could be traded again due to that fucking Bulls trade and some asshole named Stepien.
     
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    Don't they only need two picks to satisfy they trade?
     
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    Stepian rule prohibits teams from potentially trading 1st round pick in consecutive years; so they couldn't trade 2029....hadn't considered that before

    I think they could trade one of the Boston or Milwaukee picks, but since Washington has a potential claim on either, those picks probably wouldn't convey much value

    but I'm not positive about all that
     
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    If the Blazers really wanted to trade one of the 1st-round picks in 2029, they could re-negotiate the trade with the Wizards to give them the most favorable of the remaining two picks.
    The Blazers would still have one 1st-round draft pick in 2029.
    Of course that could be a disaster for the Blazers if the most favorable pick ended up being in the top 4.
     
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    “7.03. First Round Draft Choice. No Member may sell its right to select a player in the first round of an NBA draft for cash or its equivalent, or trade or exchange its right to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft if the result of such trade or exchange may be to leave the member without first-round picks in any two consecutive future NBA drafts.”

    It's always sounded like you just need a pick , it didn't have to be your own

    https://basketball.realgm.com/article/249279/CBA-Encyclopedia-Stepien-Rule

    edited to add a link
     
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    You only need a 1st round pick for the Stepien rule. It doesn't have to be your own pick.

    If Wikipedia is correct.

    "The NBA thereafter instituted the "Stepien Rule", which states that a team (usually) cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years. However, that rule has a loophole in that said first round pick can be any team's pick and not their team's own pick."
     
  19. CJ_is_Gone

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    Thats not technically correct.
    The Steipen rule prevents a team from trading future picks such that they would go 2 consecutive drafts without a 1st round selection.

    It doesn't matter WHOSE pick it is. Teams just have to have A first round pick.

    So for the '29 picks - Portland traded the middle one of Bucks, Celtics, Blazers. They still can trade another '29 pick without any worry about the Steipen rule. They can also trade the '30 pick.
     
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    true
     

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