Anfernee Simons trade destinations

Frankly, I don't care that much about this discussion and have only been skipping over it.

 

then why even chime in to begin with?

I do the same thing when I see you post something so we’re on the same page.

 

Totally. But then I think it’s also fair to say the jury is not out on Anfernee any longer. We know he’s a bad defender. We know he doesn’t get his teammates involved like a pg should.

 

And yet you respond to me CONSTANTLY.

 

Yawn, I haven’t said anything to your annoying ass in a long time, so get your head out your ass

 

Two responses me to today.... once yesterday... interesting definition of "a long time."

 

Those were your responses to me first bro. I was replying. I haven’t chimed in on any of your subjects or discussions in forever.

I know you miss me though!

 

Ant isn't good enough for me to hate him. I don't care about Ant much one way or the other.

Assist to turnover ratio is how you determine if a PG is a good passer and playmaker. Otherwise a point guard could be an absolute ball hog who never passes and would have no turnovers because he never passes the ball.

You really need to study up on the game.

And if you're making a post in a forum you're talking to everyone. If you want to have a private conversation with somebody you can send them a private message.

 

Not completely true at all. Players who are creating offense will always have higher turnovers. Initiating offense leads to turnovers some of the time. You are right that assists also leads to turnovers. So higher or lower turnovers are a component of how effective a player is both at creating offense for themselves (and thus related to shooting %) or for others (and thus related to assists).

But assists also can be a very misleading metric of a PG playmaking, as some players hog the ball and then get more assists at the end of the clock at the expense of the team. Think of PG like Westbrook who racked up assist this way but were reluctant to setup a hockey assist (a pass that leads to someone else getting an assist).

Now to your overriding points, I agree that Scoot has some strengths and its unclear if he will ultimately be a much inferior player to Simons as he was last year, or eventually surpass him. We would expect significant improvement from a 20 year old, but that doesn't mean Scoot will ever become a useful starter.

 

All stats can be gamed. The point was that assist to turnover ratio is a far better metric than total assists or total turnovers.

 

Again I don’t think the market for Anfernee is quite as good as some may think it should/would/could be.

 

But is his value ever going to be as good as we may think it should/would/could be?

The fact is that tweener/combo guards who only score and can't play a lick of defense just aren't that valuable.

Lakers are trying to offload DLO.

The Heat have tried to get value for Herro.

So unless Simons can markedly improve on defense, or prove that he's a true point guard, I really don't see his value increasing. Either that, or he better average over 30 ppg. I think people were a little disappointed with his scoring last year. There were higher expectations than he produced. 22ppg on 28% usage is not great. His usage went up but his scoring stayed roughly the same on less efficiency. So is he going to play better this season? I guess if he can actually put up the numbers that people thought he would, the 25 ppg on efficient splits, then maybe his value goes up.

 

If the value sucks, which is probably does, look at Djounte Murray... sell him on coming off the bench and being a super-sub Lou Williams.

 

another $money money money$ podcast. I still haven't seen the player named MONEY on this Blazers squad. Maybe he's on the Remix ??

 

I certainly think this may be possible. In that case we should just keep Simons and fit him into whatever role is best for the team. His contract will be an expiring next season.

We need to at least get a decent FRP in a trade or it would be a waste to trade him. Especially when we've had so many scrubs playing major minutes or starting the last 3 years. Simons on the roster is not going to prevent Scoot/Shae/Clingan/Deni/etc from getting any role they deserve with the lack of talent on this roster.

Cronin still should look for trades this summer and all season for all of our vets bringing back longer term pieces; Grant/Simons/Ayton/Thybulle/Timelord. But were not going to have cap space next summer, so salary cap relief is irrelevant for 2 years. We at least need a FRP to trade any. Maybe there is an argument to trade away Grant/Thybulle so they don't clog up our cap in the summer of 2026, but the others are fine to just hold and see what happens. We've seen tons of players traded out in sign and trade for 2nd rounders, or then used to bring in another teams player via sign and trade as the Warriors did with Slo-mo/Hield. So even letting Simons/Ayton/Timelord just play out their contract and walk could very well be the best return of an asset we can get.

 

No deals. Simons is untouchable. I heard somewhere that Cronin was lead scouty guy under Olshey, and pioneered the draft to take Anfernee Simons. He's going to be a Blazer 4 Life. Cronin has gone full Truman Show with Anfernee. "I built this place for you."

 

Not sure what you mean by this, Murray last came off the bench way back in 2017 while Simons was in High School.

 

Not sure what you mean by this.