Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

It worked for two weeks and then the consultants got her ear and moved her right and now she's slipping. It comes down to policy.

 

I don't think she was ever playing the change card though, was she?

What has she moved right on?

 

Not really, no. The pundits that keep saying what she has to do keep saying either she or Trump has to run as a change candidate, which I think is ridiculous.

Neither really can be a change candidate. The bad of the last four years was a direct result of Trump's four years that preceded it. Trump owns a lot of this, so how can he be a change agent? Plus, he failed, he's incompetent, he's cognitively challenged and he tried to overthrow the government. She's part of the last administration which oversaw a recovery from COVID that was better than any in the world. Tweak a few things, keep on that path, and things are going to right themselves.

I've been a member of the media, but there's a tendency particularly with the long news cycle to have to make up news and overthink things. There also are too many people who failed in one job who someone wind up as analysts in the media and use it as an opportunity to repair their egos after their Ls.

They keep putting these qualifiers and elevated bars and conditions on Harris and never pay attention that she literally just needs to be better than an unqualified, deranged chaos agent. She's waaaaaay above that.

It's like the people saying they won't vote for her because this administration doesn't do enough for the Palestinians without seeing the alternative is a president that would give Bibi everything and more to wipe the Palestinians off the map entirely. Dumb. Making perfect the enemy of good.

 

If only the media put it all over the place.

 

She is so phony...

 

The various edicts that shut down the economy were mostly state and local edicts. And it the Democraps pushed those far harder. Trump should have done more to fight back AGAINST the criminals like Fauci who were promoting those policies.

But Trump was the voice saying we should open up, so blaming it on him rather than the side who was actively promoting it is absurd.

All this tripe about "everything good that happened under Trump was because of Obama and every thing bad was because of Trump". That's just mindless drivel. It's like playing volleyball without the net.

 

Dementia Don has a real bug up his very large ass over 60 Minutes interview with Harris, which was anything but a puff piece. He knows based on voices in his head that she gave completely incoherent replies which CBS cut and pasted to make her sound good. They do opposite to him. He says brilliant things they alter to sound incoherent. It's illegal election interference! Harris needs to cefe the race now! CBS needs to lose broadcast license!

Not scared much?

But if he is elected he has made it clear he will use FCC to yank license from any network that criticizes him.

 

"Shutting stuff down" wasn't the problem. The problem was not taking the proper precautions.

The states which were less strict on COVID saw 30% higher excess mortality than the states that were more strict.

The US was among the worst in the world on COVID policy and results during Trump's term and has been a world leader under Biden and Harris.

He inherited a fantastic economy from Obama and torpedoed it with incompetent corruption. He did nothing except take away tax deductions of blue collar Americans and gave the excess to the wealthy.

That's been terrible for the economy. Absolutely horrible. And that's even without his screw ups on COVID. In which he encouraged Americans to ignore the epidemic and engage in risky behavior that resulted in increased suffering, death, and reduced economic activity.

 

Polling the audience, is this satire or sincere?

 

Just like Putin did in Russia

 

Hmm, so we should have shut down the economy longer and harder, and that would have made the economy better? Wow, ok.

And the lockdown idea has been utterly defeated. Yet there are still pockets of deranged lefties (mostly on the East and West coast) that still opine the days of the lockdown. You probably want to bring them back at the next time some scary sniffles come around. We've never applied such wide sweeping matures, treating everyone as though they are infectious.

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-...ed-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths

 

These findings indicate that collectively, stringent COVID-19 restrictions were associated with substantial decreases in excess deaths during the pandemic.

JAMA Health Forum. 2024 Jul; 5(7): e242006.
Published online 2024

Findings

This cross-sectional analysis including all 50 US states plus the District of Columbia found that if all states had imposed COVID-19 restrictions similar to those used in the 10 most (least) restrictive states, excess deaths would have been an estimated 10% to 21% lower (13%-17% higher) than the 1.18 million that actually occurred during the 2-year period analyzed. Behavior changes were associated with 49% to 79% of this overall difference.

*Edit* That is 247,800 american deaths due to policies that Trump and republicans supported and encouraged.

 

Walz was change. A legit progressive. Talking about price gouging before msm jumped all over her. That was change.

Now she's going on TV and saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden's last 4 years? Yeesh. That's how you lose an election. You can see in interviews she's conceding that it's not "realistic" to get a lot of progressive agendas that she initially championed done. That's consultant speak. They are running her to the middle to be the more establishment candidate.

There are two choices. The one who make themselves more of the change candidate will win. Trump is getting away with that right now because Kamala is bringing in the Cheneys and the establishment to her side.

 

You need to refine your critical thinking skills. Southern States had higher death rates before covid. They have more poverty, more obesity. So studies like the one you point out are just put out as propaganda tools.

Stop swallowing the BS.

 

Lol

Nice try. Read the study. Each state was compared to their own numbers the two years prior to the pandemic. So the south prior death rates were taken into consideration and these were excess deaths above and beyond typical.

But keep reaching...

 

I honestly haven't been paying much attention as I've already made up my mind.

But I'm not at all surprised if Harris is moving more to center. That was always going to happen. She'll be as center as center can be. Whatever it takes to get her funding. Just like virtually every other Democrat.

Which is still far better than Trump.

 

And that's why she's slipping in the polls. Nobody wants center. Nobody wants establishment. The country has been crying for change since Obama and they haven't gotten it. Moving to the center gets you funding, but loses you votes...

 

Trump is better for the rich than a real progressive. So the Democratic Party will not support a real progressive. They'd lose all of their financial backing to Trump.