Bust a Scoot?

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  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    What was our record in those games? What was his +/-?
     
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    What a dumb response, we were running out horrible lineups, that has nothing to do with his plus minus or record.

    He was improving as the season went on, but you only want to look at the negatives

    any way to put a negative spin on it, you guys are ridiculous
     
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    When we were blatantly tanking?
     
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    That's irrelevant. Training with the best shooter in the history of the game is intention, which you claimed was missing. The real question is where on the intention scale he lands.
     
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    That's insane. Consistent training with intention is what matters.
    That is reps with intention.

    Doesn't matter who you're training with if you don't have intention and game intensity in those reps.
     
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    I prefer to use the eye test and Scoot's improvement through the year was obvious. If you rely on stats to judge talent then I guess I understand some of you saying he didn't improve.
    Just like last night, he was the only guy on the court that could create. What exacerbates his production is the fact that Chauncey's offense has turned into this mix of pick &rolls and dribble handoffs. No sets, no design, just freelance. You tell me who is gonna create offense besides Scoot. Ayton? Toumani? Grant? Murray? Those are the other 4 starters last night. Maybe Clingan? Rupert? Walker? Wreath? The next best is Banton. A shoot first, second and third backup PG. Can't believe anyone would judge him by stats in this situation.
     
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    Solid points. I just hope he shows a more consistent shot as he plays more this season. One bad game shooting is fine.

    On the bright side at least he kept shooting.
     
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    Most guys get better throughout the year because of reps and conditioning. Not that they aren't in good shape right now or haven't had a ton of shots over the summer. But, shooting in games is very different and it takes time to build in game shooting.
     
  9. Rastapopoulos

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    Just because the FO has intentionally refused to bring in competent point guards (like TYLER KOLEK for example) doesn't make Scoot good. They're pretty much forcing Chauncey to play Scoot big minutes because there's nobody else.
     
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    What a strange comment when we have Ant on the roster and Brogdon was our best player last year.
     
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    That's kind of my point. No other playmakers means more pressure and too many minutes for Scoot.
     
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    If you have a good coaching staff and great trainers you get those "in-game" type reps everyday. You can drill that.

    Unfortunately I don't think Portland has that. And (if this kind of shooting continues for more than a short time) it appears that Scoot has not gone out and hired somebody to help him do that.
     
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    Simons, Sharpe and Grant can get their own shot anytime they want. If Scoot would just get better and picking his shots, and playing within the offense, his percentages would probably go up, and also, even if they are below average, it wouldn't hurt the team as much.

    A lot of good PGs in NBA history only took 11 shots a game, as they focused on being distributers, but Scoot seems to be trying to be an explosive scorer.
     
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    Assuming Scoot continues to struggle, the FO faces a dilemma: blame Scoot or blame Chauncey. I suspect their solution will be "do nothing and just be glad we're losing".
     
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    There are two things that I think are keeping Scoot from being an all star level PG: a left hand and decision making. Without the left hand he could still be a high level starting PG in the league. It's the decision making. Dude has no business pulling up for threes off of the dribble, dude has plenty of solid passes and even spectacular ones he could be making without attempting ones that are impossible, dude doesn't have the ability to make a solid decision about if the lane is open or closed and on top of that and I guess this isn't decision making but fits in with the general theme of BBIQ... the dude needs to maintain concentration on every play on both ends.

    The guy has the physical tools and skills to be a more physically imposing Chris Paul but CP3 is one of the smartest players in the history of the league... can Scoot get his head on a level that allows him to capitalize on his talent and the skills he has developed and has the potential to continue to develop? I'm really not sure. Frustrating to see the guy making the same mistakes he was making last season but if you can't see the potential there it's either because you don't want to/are a hopeless pessimist or you don't know what you're looking at.
     
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    I see the potential, but I also see the lack of notable progress. He improved over the season last year but still makes a ton of poor decisions and is highly inconsistent.

    I have some hope still but it has been muted almost to the point of non-existence.
     
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    Scoot is going to take a few years to have an overall where he improves decision making, turnovers, left hand and shooting. He didnt play his senior in HS because he jumped to the G league. It's going to take time for him learn basics he's missed out on. Sure he's athletic but he just not bee coached hard with discipline where he learns.
     
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    That G league team really screwed him up.
     
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    Did he hang around the gym in Portland over the summer? I sure didn't read so. Most guys do, when between their rookie and 2nd years.

    As I wrote before, I consider Little Scooter a child. He is undisciplined and conceited. He smiles like Dennis the Menace, but he is no menace to any player.
     
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    This is my concern. That the rumors about him working hard everyday... Were made up...

    Sincerely hoping that is not the case...
     
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    He has his own gym dad built for him and others in family.
     
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