Zach Edey poll

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Should we take Zach Edey?

  1. I'd take him at 7 in case he's not there at 14

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    10.9%
  2. I wouldn't take him at 7 but I would at 14

    26 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. He doesn't excite me, but I'm willing to give him a chance

    9 vote(s)
    19.6%
  4. I will kick in the fucking screen if I see the Blazers draft that lumbering stiff

    6 vote(s)
    13.0%
  1. beast blazer

    beast blazer Well-Known Member

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    When the ball goes through the hoop it's still worth 2 points regardless of how.

    Now I'm going to have to watch Edey turn into a star on another team because grinny-face Cronin was to afraid to break the status quo.
     
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    To his credit, Edey has got better each year in college. The question is in two years when Clingan is 22, will he be as good as Edey is now? I am guessing you don't think he will.
     
  3. PtldPlatypus

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    Edey became a special college player by his junior/senior years. It would be unlikely for any player to be as good as Edey was in college.

    The real question isn't whether Clingan could be as good as Edey was in college; the question is whether Clingan can/will impact winning in the pro's as much/more than Edey will.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The game has been min/maxed. There's a reason why we have seen three point attempts massively increase in the last 10 years. Needing to establish a guy in the post and run the shot clock down while he backs down for 2 points is not efficient.

    Like I said, I guess we shall see. Teams are going to hunt him in the pick and roll.
     
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    beast blazer Well-Known Member

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    I think Clingan will be a good defensive player, good rebounder, he can finish inside, maybe he'll develop a little jumper. He seems to have some passing ability as well.

    I just think Edey will be those things plus be monster in the paint. He's going to command double teams. Teams will have to front him...
     
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    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    I think it's almost certain that Clingan will have a much greater positive TEAM impact, while Edey will put up gaudier stats (IF he gets minutes in the regular season). Once again let me remind people that Boban had one of the top PERs in the league and never got minutes. See also J. Okafor and Luka Garza. Now, Edey shows signs of being a better defender than any of those, and that's what he'll have to be to get minutes. Unless you're Jokic, nobody cares about how good your offense is as a center, it's all about the D.

    So: feel good for the kid but don't feel bad that we didn't draft him. Clingan's team effect is greater and he's younger.
     
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    I'd say it's actually just the opposite. Having a player that shoots 55-60% from 2 is equal to having guys shoot 34-35% from 3. Having a post player that's a threat to do that creates more per open shots for players on the perimeter which should improve their efficiency.

    Every time there's a change in a sport people act like the innovation has changed that game forever. In truth, it rarely does. In the NFL, the West Coast offense was going to change the game and then the Bears 46 defense was going to change the game and now every football team is back to running variations of the single-wing like they did in the 1930s.

    It always comes down to finding your style and being better at imposing it and executing better than the opponent. Edey might be a defensive liability on one end -- MIGHT, because there are a lot of centers in the NBA that are exactly like him but not as good as it, basically at least one on every team. However, if he's an even bigger asset on the offensive end, it doesn't matter on the defensive end.

    People overthink this stuff. Great play is great play.
     
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    There are myriad ways to win. If that weren't true, every team would be doing the exact same thing. They aren't.
     
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    I think with his size, he just needs to have one go-to shot in the paint. He just needs to keep working on that hook shot and he will eventually command a double team.
     
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    Beast - Zach is a more polished offensive player then DC but DC is miles ahead of him on the defensive end and that is what the Blazers need was help on D.
     
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    He has the same standing reach as Edey, but Edey does out weigh him by 50 pounds. He's on another level, in terms of being difficult to guard in the post.
     
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    Their pre-draft weights were only 17 pounds different. How is it 50 pounds now?
     
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    I saw 265 vs 305, but that might be dated info (which I know equals 40 and not 50). Nonetheless, Zach already is a great post player. We didn't see that from Clingan in college.
     
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    If he really did weigh 50 more lbs (330) I would not project a long career for him. Luckily for Edey he looks to be in great shape.
    (as does Clingan)
     
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    Definitely dated. At the combine, Clingan was 282 and Edey was 299.

    Nobody's disputing that Edey's superior offensively. The point is simply that Clingan also has similar size advantages and can develop them into an offensive threat as well.
     
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    Its the preseason. It means nothing.
     
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    I think the idea is that 33% 3point percentage equates to 50% 2pt FG% which means 2pt shots are worth far less especially since fewer players can score 50% from 2. The formula is to multiply the percentage point by the point total. Both ".33 x 3 pts" and ".5 x 2 pts" equal to 1 .

    Of course, you can do this in reverse, especially if that center can run the floor at an adequate speed so that enough possessions are secured. Suddenly 55% 2pt FG% equates to 37% 3pt shooting.

    Since Edey appears to be a 60+% 2pt big man due to the fact that he's so tall and has strong footwork/good hands/mobility to be a solid enough scorer whether in college or in the NBA, that puts him in great company.....on par with the likes of Shaq, Jokic, Giannis, Kareem, Wilt, Kevin McHale, Dwight Howard to a lesser degree, sophomore Greg Oden, Ayton - especially when he puts in the effort, and Jonas Valanciunas.

    We'll see what type of player he ends up becoming but going by that list, he is very likely a certified NBA starter with untapped potential and good playoff capability.
     
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    Except 50% sucks. It's 8% lower than the league average TS%, and you rarely draw fouls on 3 point shots.

    That's why scoring inside is still the best thing in basketball. It's the highest % from the field, plus you get foul shots.
     
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    That's if the ball isn't turned over trying to get that inside shot. Those turnovers trying to get the ball inside aren't calculated in the shooting percentage.

    An open layup/dunk is definitely the best shot in the game if you can get it. No argument there.
     

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