Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

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Who will "Win?"

  1. Harris

    78.6%
  2. Trump

    21.4%
  1. jonnyboy

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    Cats have infinitely more integrity than Lindsey Graham. So do Crocodiles, jellyfish and rocks.
    The Calico breed is genetically sexist though, the males generally die.
     
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    Is there a political forum that you only discuss sports in?
     
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    See? Another Republican...
     
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    No joke this will peel off more swing state voters for Harris than the Cheney endorsement
     
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    Forgive me if you already posted it, but i'd be interested in seeing where this info is coming from.

    Because all early ballot indicators are saying one thing, so im interested in what others are saying - and frankly, what outlets are the ones producing the indicators. (I.E. interest groups, etc)
     
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    Yeah I posted it. Registration and early voting numbers are all pointing to Trump closing the gap on any leads Harris had a month ago and increasing his lead in states he was already leading in. Then there is the very unorthodox but extremely accurate betting odds. Trump now holds a 57% chance of winning where only a month ago it was nearly a dead heat. Harris has done absolutely nothing to hold her leads in the states that she absolutely needs to win.
    Biden won Georgia, Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania Arizona and New Mexico and Minnesota. With all of those he still only got 306 electoral votes.
    At this point Harris looks to be losing Arizona, New Mexico ???, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
    The math simply doesn't look to be in her favor.
     
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    Harris will win Virginia. Not sure where you’re getting your info but she has a substantial lead in New Mexico.

    The way betting markets work is if they get big money on one candidate they move the odds so that they won’t lose the bag. I believe someone has put $19 mil on Trump winning so they moved the odds.

    The polling community is being as cautious as they can because really they’ve been awful for almost a decade. To a point where polls have lost any credibility. It’s an outdated concept.
     
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    She very well may but my statement is that her lead has diminished from 11 points to 8 points. That is trending the wrong way.

    Again. She may win New Mexico but it's only 5 votes. Also her lead is trending down not up. Biden won by 11 points. Harris is currently at 8. This speaks to exactly what forecasters are predicting.

    Betting on elections is against the law. What I have brought is probability numbers. Not odds. Which by the way outside of the US has Trump ahead also.

    I am not using polls in any statements. What I am using is registration and early voting numbers which are wildly in Trumps favor at this point. Republicans are registering and voting early again. Trump has even started asking his followers to vote early.
     
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    The "Exhaustion" line might be the best bet for Harris.

    • Trump agreed to appear on CBS’s “60 Minutes” before canceling.
    • He agreed to appear on CNBC before canceling.
    • He reportedly planned to sit down for an interview with the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia before canceling.
    • He was reportedly in conversations for weeks with The Shade Room about a sit-down interview before withdrawing.
    • His campaign said he’d debate Kamala Harris more than once, but he soon after scrapped those plans, too.
    It’s also worth noting that Trump was supposed to participate in an event in Georgia with the National Rifle Association, but it too was canceled. The right-wing group explained that the change was the result of “campaign scheduling changes.”

    As for the possible explanations for these many cancelations, Politico reported that Trump’s team told one outlet that the candidate’s schedule has been so busy that it’s led to “exhaustion.”

    Making matters a bit worse, the 78-year-old Republican appeared to be falling asleepmore than once — during some recent events.

    This has not gone unnoticed by the rival campaign.

    “Being president of the United States is probably one of the hardest jobs in the world,” Harris told reporters late last week, after referencing the Politico report. “And so, we really do need to ask if he’s exhausted being on the campaign trail, is he fit to do the job?”

    Presumably, Trump could push back against such questions by releasing his medical records, but to date, he’s refused to do so for reasons he has not explained.

    Seems like being 78 and running a campaign might be too much for Trump?
     
  13. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    I have been reading from a wide variety of sources for months now (similar to 2020). And it seems that many media outlets "try" to be "fair" farther away from the election, like they don't want to look too partisan. But almost without fail, as the election approaches, "fair" goes out the window and the "persuasion/manipulation/propaganda" cycle begins. Literally every media outlet has a bias, or a horse in the race. And as crunch time approaches you can easily see who they are pushing for the win. Real Clear Politics is a classic case in point. Most of the time (despite being a Right Wing outlet) they bend over backwards to try and give the reader a choice of viewpoints on a variety of subjects (which I appreciate). But as the election gets closer RCP clearly starts pushing the Right Wing narrative, especially flooding the zone with unsubstantiated opinions and "results" that show Republicans pulling away. It's SOP in election manipulation, designed to own the libs and make them panic. They have sucked me in in the past, but this time I think they will be hoisted in their own petard.........if there is panic, it is on the Right.
     
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    Pretty sure you are correct on all counts here however, you simply cannot discount the changes and the numbers that are not influenceable. Republicans historically voted early until Trump told them early voting was rigged. They lost last time due to missing voting opportunities. This time Trump is telling them to vote early and they are showing up. Early registration numbers confirm an increase in republican voters who are voting conservative. Every indicator to this point is moving in Trumps direction even though Harris may still be leading her lead is diminishing.

    On the other hand John Kelly just came out publicly for the first time and gave a scathing rebuke to former President Trump. The timing is impeccable and he knows he has Georgia and North Carolina listening (Probably Arizona as well). That kind of endorsement can only help Harris. Look for a few more in the coming days.
     
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    James Carville: Three Reasons I’m Certain Kamala Harris Will Win

    There is a palpable anxiety wailing on the winds of American life right now. More than in any other election in my lifetime, I’ve been consistently asked by people of all stripes and creeds: “Can Kamala Harris win this thing? Are we going to be OK?”This sentiment is heard over and over from sweaty Democratic operatives who all too often love to run to the press with their woes.

    While I am not one to take part in the political prediction industry — recently ballooned by mysterious crypto investments gambling on a Donald Trump victory — today I am pulling my stool up to the political poker table to throw my chips all in: America, it will all be OK. Ms. Harris will be elected the next president of the United States. Of this, I am certain. Here are three reasons:


    Mr. Trump is a repeat electoral loser. This time will be no different.

    The biggest reason Mr. Trump will lose is that the whole Republican Party has been on a losing streak since Mr. Trump took it over. See 2018: the largest House landslide for Democrats in a midterm election since Watergate. See 2020: He was decisively bucked from the White House by Joe Biden. See 2022: an embarrassment of a midterm for Republicans off the heels of Dobbs. And the Democrats have been performing well in special elections since Trump appointees on the Supreme Court helped take away a basic right of American women. Guess what? Abortion is on the ballot again — for president.

    There simply do not seem to be enough voters — even in the battleground states — who turn out at Mr. Trump’s behest anymore when he’s simply preaching to his base. He has not learned from his electoral losses nor done the necessary work to assemble a broad electoral coalition in 2024. Let’s not forget that seven weeks after Nikki Haley dropped out of the Republican primary, she received 158,000 votes in Pennsylvania — and some disaffected Haley voters are currently looking to move to Ms. Harris. Although Ms. Haley has endorsed Mr. Trump, losing even a fraction of those voters leaves Mr. Trump running the final leg of this race with a fundamental fracture of the femur. To add a cherry to the pie, most voters think Mr. Trump is too old to be president, but instead of easing their concerns, he’s spending the final days of the campaign jiving to the Village People and canceling interviews.

    On the other side, in just three months Ms. Harris has assembled a unified and electrified coalition. From Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Liz and Dick Cheney, it is the broadest we have seen in modern political history. And Ms. Harris’s coalition is just as excited as the smaller opposition. This is shaping out to be a record-turnout election — and if the bigger coalition turns out with equal enthusiasm, it will be lights out for Mr. Trump.

    Money matters, and Ms. Harris has it in droves.

    More reality: Money matters in politics. If this weren’t the case, somebody would be wasting an awful lot of time raising it. Take it from Lindsey Graham, who is whining that Republicans are getting creamed in fund-raising. He’s not wrong to complain, since Ms. Harris is processing Cheddar like a Wisconsin cheese factory.

    Since joining the race, the vice president has raised an eye-boggling $1 billion, and last quarter one of her fund-raising committees reeled in $633 million — dwarfing what Mr. Trump raised with two committees combined. All this cash not only effectively offsets the flow of money funneling in for Mr. Trump from some tech billionaires, but it has also given Ms. Harris the resources she needs to persuade swing voters with ads and to organize on the ground. With her field operation moving like a tremendous machine, it seems likely there has never been a greater disparity in voter contact efforts. Mr. Trump can run all the high-profile TV ads he wants painting Ms. Harris as extreme, but what’s less discussed is that she is more than fighting back with ads reminding voters of how Mr. Trump betrayed his oath of office after the 2020 election and ended a woman’s right to choose. She is strapped with the necessary cash to forcefully remind suburban women and voters in the middle that Mr. Trump is, in fact, the extremist candidate.

    It’s just a feeling.

    My final reason is 100 percent emotional. We are constantly told that America is too divided, too hopelessly stricken by tribalism, to grasp the stakes. That is plain wrong. If the Cheneys and A.O.C. get that the Constitution and our democracy are on the ballot, every true conservative and every true progressive should get it too. A vast majority of Americans are rational, reasonable people of good will. I refuse to believe that the same country that has time and again overcome its mistakes to bend its future toward justice will make the same mistake twice. America overcame Mr. Trump in 2020. I know that we know we are better than this.

    Now, I don’t mean for my prediction of a Harris victory to breed complacency. We still have days of vital work to do. I say all this because a movement that marches with hope is 1,000 times as thunderous as a movement that marches with dread.

    For the past decade, Mr. Trump has infected American life with a malignant political sickness, one that would have wiped out many other global democracies. On Jan. 6, 2021, our democracy itself nearly succumbed to it. But Mr. Trump has stated clearly that this will be the last time he runs for president. That is exactly why we should be exhilarated by what comes next: Mr. Trump is a loser; he is going to lose again. And it is highly likely that there will be no other who can carry the MAGA mantle in his wake — certainly not his running mate.

    In two weeks, we not only have a chance to elect Kamala Harris as president, but a chance to bring finality to the sordid career of Donald Trump and drive MAGA into a prolonged remission.

    See you on the other side.

    https://dnyuz.com/2024/10/23/james-carville-three-reasons-im-certain-kamala-harris-will-win/
     
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    Good to see Carville has improved his outlook. He’s been having meltdowns on all the corporate news programs for the last month, in direct contradiction to these most recent ramblings.

    There was nothing of consequence in that op ed though. “He lost last time” “Kamala has more money” and “it’s just a feeling” aren’t even in the universe of legitimacy two weeks from an election where the other guy is leading by most conventional metrics. This is a hard cope.
     
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    Surprisingly, it's a vote of each state's US reps, as elected in November. If people already hate the way the electoral college gives more weight to individual voters from Wyoming than California, they're really going to hate it if a tie-breaker gives the single rep from Alaska the exact same influence as all 52 Californian reps combined.

    Suffice to say, if it's a tie, it's a loss...

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