Eating Crow about Scoot

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I think you may have undervalued our man Pritchard with that one... But I still have hope for Scoot. He's shown some good stuff.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    See I'm just not buying that at all. Have any of these guys drafted by Portland and they would have been stars here too;

    Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Magic, James Worthy, and Kobe​

    Now would they have been the face of the NBA and all the marketing they got in LA? Of course not. But I just don't buy that those guys would have been less than hall of famers in any Blazers organization. Nor do I buy the idea there are some possible future hall of famers that career have been ruined because they went to an organization like the Blazers.

    Not saying the Blazers are perfect, or can't get better, or have a better coach, etc. But its not some massive pervasive problem here that is turning hall of famers into busts as it seems from many of your posts your implying.
     
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    you said "Clingan, Camara and Deni might be good enough to fill the the quality starters/role player". I guess I just saw that as a possible starting tag for all three and was skeptical
     
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    I know you do. I have read it numerous times from a few people. But usually, the reason is because Ant is a black hole or a chucker and I don't think that has been the case this year.
    I am not saying don't trade Ant, I'm just saying he should not be blamed for Shae's growth. Not when Shae's #1 issue has been health. He missed 50 games last year and has played 18 so far this year. That is a huge factor for a young player.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    No I don't think anybody we have will be a Hall of famer. I don't think that was a likely outcome for anybody we have.

    I was hoping Scoot went number two, remember.

    But I do think that Scoot and Sharp could be much better (and more valuable) than they are right now if the franchise did a better job.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Solid point. I just don't like the way that he looks playing with Ant. I really like the way he looks playing with Scoot.
     
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    You are correct, it has nothing to do with Ant, to put the blame on him being the reason Scoot hasn't shown much improvment this year so far is a joke, and Scoot only played 37 games with Ant last season as well.
     
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    Yawns, we have been here already before, remember when I said Scoot is in the bottom 6 out of 8 regardless who he is paired with, and Ant is only in the bottom 10 twice with who he is paired with?

    That means, if you have any brain cells, that its more on Scoot regardless of who he paired with, nothing to do with Ant and the fact that Ant is in the bottom 10 twice only, means you actually are helping my point lmao
     
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    the point being that last season, out of all the 2-man lineups, the pairing of Simons and Scoot was the worst.

    This season, Simons and Scoot haven't played enough together to register, but Simons and Sharpe have and it's the 6th worst 2-man lineup. Grant & Sharpe are the 4th worst. Simons & Grant are the 3rd worst. Meanwhile, Camara and Sharpe are the 3rd best; Avdija and Sharpe are the 7th best.

    probably meaning that average, ball-hoggish players like Simons and Grant are not good for young players trying to establish their games, such as Sharpe and Scoot. They aren't even good for each other. By the way, the 2nd best 2-man Blazer combo in Sharpe's rookie season was Dame & Sharpe. But while Dame was ball-dominant, he had good floor-vision and would share the ball. Can't say the same for Simons and Grant
     
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    Interesting stats... 6 of the 8 worst duo's were with Scoot.... the only player he performed ok with was Thybulle.
     
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    Seems like you had a conclusion in mind then began pulling specific data to support it.
     
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    obviously I have opinions on Blazer players and have expressed them many times. In this case, the numbers tend to match
     
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    The main point being is it's clearly on Scoot regardless of who he is paired with, but you have tunnel vision with Ant and don't want to think otherwise. This is more on Scoot than anything, and the numbers you posted back that, so everything else beyond that is just your tunnel vision view of Ant.
     
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    But but....it's Ant fault.....lmao these guys
     
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    Come on big bro lol scoot sucks ass

    we were told "he is different than other 19 year olds" and "he is a generational talent". And the reality is he’s trash. Just look
     
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    You literally have never posted a single thing about Pritchard until he started playing well last month. EVER! Why weren’t you posting about him when he was 20?
     
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    I don't care if Scoot is doing poorly right now. I mean, I'd prefer that he was doing well, as long as it wasn't giving us more wins.

    As long as he's the main ball handler without ball stoppers for a full season or two.

    If he does that and doesn't improve enough then I'll want him replaced as well.

    Very simple.
     
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    It's not really Ant's fault. This just isn't the right situation for him. He needs to move on.

    It's on Cronin, if anybody.
     
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    Bust.
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