Grant had a better than expected production last season and there were a lack of vets available over the summer in trade. All the national reporting was that teams (LAL, Sac, Detroit, etc) were interested in Grant but Cronin was insisting on a high level of value back - pick(s). We'll never know exactly these details so this game can always be played of justifying that "Cronin had no better options" that is used to excuse his inactivity. The fact is he did assemble every one on this overpaid useless veteran core which is paid $100+ million in Ayton, Grant, Ant, Thybulle, Timelord. This whole time its been very clear the Blazers are embarking on a long term rebuild and these vets make no long term sense on this roster.
For me, it makes sense to display Grant to up his trade value. He plays well, we could package him with our pick to move up We don't play him enough, we will not get what Cronin wants for him. I mean JC stood pad because he has set a value for Grant and did not accept any low offers.
Why are you stating the date Grant signed the deal? We never see NBA teams back out of verbal offers - and that was a week and a half earlier. Grant verbally agreed to his Blazers deal the day prior to Dame asking out. Now if Dame waiting until his friend secured a $160 million bag or it was all just a coincidence is open to peoples opinions and speculation. I do remember Ramona Shelburn saying both Grant and the Blazers had full eyes wide open of what was going on. Dame met with his agent and Cronin days earlier and had basically demanded the team trade the #3 if they want him to stay so none of these sides were surprised by anything.
can you supply a link for that? I have never read or heard anything that supports that I think it's quite probable that Grant and Cronin made an informal agreement in the summer of 2022 after Grant arrived in Portland. He was in the final year of his deal. I'd bet there was discussion about an extension, but that Grant didn't want an extension because of the limit for raises in the previous CBA
We've done this for two years and he's still here. How many years do we try and "up his trade value"??? Four years so we can capitalize on that return when he's an expiring contract? This also isn't 1995 where the Knicks try to overpay with every player that scores a bunch of points on poor efficiency. Every team is using advanced stats to measure all of the players contributions 100x more in depth than the posters on this board. Pretty obvious that Grant with his 11.5 PER - the lowest since his rookie contract - is not a good value while being paid $160 million. Forcing him minutes/shots/touches to try and prop up that trade value higher sure doesn't sound like a good plan.
20mins into free agency on 6/30 Dame asked out on 7/1 http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/jerami-grant-5-160.382251/
sorry, "reports" on this never passed the smell test. Its on the individual for believing obvious bullshit like this Teams never talk to reporters to tell them what they're thinking about doing... see the Luka trade. Agents regularly do, but they lie a hell of a lot. "Reporters" have to report something or they're out a job, even if it's passing along weak speculative stuff they know isn't true for the gullible so needing something/anything they'll keep tuning in. SOS every offseason & trade deadline... are you going to fall for it again next offseason? STOMP
yeah...the gist like how for weeks before the 2023 draft whenever Dame was asked about it he made it pretty clear he expected the Blazers to leverage that 3rd pick in a bigger trade for veteran help. I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that without some indication from Cronin that the Blazers would try then, not only didn't the Blazers make a trade, they drafted a PG and made it clear they were keeping him. So then we have the people who want to try and assign blame to Dame for Grant's contract assuming that the agreement with Grant was reached several days before he actually signed because otherwise, the dates don't align with their narrative. But if that's true then the same logic would have to apply to when Dame actually asked for a trade, not when it was reported I think that Dame asking out and Grant signing a new deal had no connection. I think Cronin intended to re-sign Grant no matter what. If Cronin actually felt bamboozled into the Grant contract, he would not have been demanding 2 first's for Grant in a trade. He'd have been anxious to dump Grant...but he's obviously not
At current JG value, maybe. That is why he is starting, to allow him to increase his value. If Cronin has given up on him, he would have traded him at the deadline for peanuts. But the fact he is being showcased, it means Cronin wants him to play well to be desired by other teams so we salvage a respectable return for him
Yes there are trades that come out of nowhere - but we see plenty of reports that do lead to the actual deals though. That happens more often than a trade out of the blue with zero rumors. Grant was heavily reported to PDX months before that trade. Ayton to Portland for a couple years - then most certainly for weeks that he was coming to PDX prior to the Dame trade. Brogdon reported to be the odd man out and most likely moved before the Deni trade. Thybulle reported here again multiple times until that deal with the 6ers happened. Clingan and Sharpe were heavily rumored as the main guys the Blazers locked on before the draft. The noise with Grant and the Lakers basically mirrored all of those - with the holldup always being multiple pick(s) that Cronin was insisting on.
I've never understood why people expected the Lakers to consider giving up two 1st's for Grant considering the Hachimura vs Grant comparison:
During the season it made zero sense. I thought for maybe one pick in the summer and if so Cronin should jump at it. But to your point, tons of posters were insisting Cronin should hold out for two picks. Grant has been awful this season.
I vaguely remember reports that Dame was gonna see what we did at the start of free agency before making a decision. But I also remember reading that he met with Joe and asked out and Joe asked them to sit on it for a few days. I might be wrong. It was crazy back then.
Your right, Joe and Dame and Dame's agent met a few days after the draft (June 26) and a few days before free agency. For years Dame always said you wouldn't hear a bunch of hoopla or rumors or such if he asked out, it would just be a private meeting with himself his agent and the GM. It was reported Dame was going to ask out in that meeting but Cronin asked Dame to wait a few days for them to try other moves. Dame said the Blazers needed to resign Grant, stop being frugal under the tax, and acquire a key vet for Dame to play with. Then the day after free agency when nobody new agreed to deals with the Blazers (Draymond signing, OG trade, DeRozen trade, etc) Dame asked out - to ONE team.
Again, the reports made no sense. Think about it. It’s beyond laughable to think that Joe is insisting on multiple picks for Grant… do you believe everything you read on the internet? A vast majority of rumors never happen because a vast majority are BS spread by agents. What’s especially laughable is posters saying it’s the GM being the idiot for not doing deals that were obviously never on the table. STOMP
"The GM is such an idiot for not doing these deals discussed in unsubstantiated reports that I choose to believe because I think the GM is an idiot!"
So either our players aren’t worth Jack shit, or other GMs think they can take advantage of Joe. Otherwise it makes no sense to hold onto Grant and Williams.
