They won’t be respectable for a long while; their roster has real weaknesses that go deep, their coaching is an absolute joke and their front office made all those idiotic moves on purpose. They have garbage draft position this summer and Giannis might not even get them that much further along in the rebuild. He was drafted in 2013 and has some serious mileage on him. They haven’t drafted a player with a positive VORP since 2018, and that guy is on the Timberwolves right now. I wouldn’t worry about the Bucks being good in 2028. I wouldn’t worry about them being good in 2035, to be honest.
Yeah, but we as Blazer fans need them to be really bad, not just bad. Otherwise, the unprotected part is useless. We want them to be the bottom 3 that year. So the longer they wait to rebuild, the better.
it only took OKC 3 seasons to climb from 22 to 40 wins; and 4 seasons to climb from 22 to 57 wins. . For Milwaukee, it's 3 seasons till the 2028 swap; and 4 seasons till the 2029 pick. Obviously, OKC is kind of an extreme example. But they pivoted quickly from a Paul George trade. If Milwaukee trades Giannis this summer, they might pivot pretty quickly too because of what they might get for him I think it probably not going to be that accelerated, but 4 seasons is a long time in the NBA
yep the issue with those Milwaukee picks was always the time lag. The 2028 swap was 5 years out and Portland's pick was encumbered already; The 2029 pick was 6 years out; the 2030 pick was 7 years out. 5-7 years is a long time in the NBA and a lot of different things can happen to the two teams involved
The time lag was a big advantage of those picks - not an "issue". Milwaukee had won 50-60 games the prior 5 years - so we didn't want picks or swaps while Dame was seemingly still at an All-NBA level and Giannis was barely in his 30's - and the Blazers were tanking. Turns out that Bucks team has been much worse than expected and Dame was way overrated though.
I agree with the part that its very difficult to project teams past 3 years from now. However OKC has had a boatload of extra 1st round picks - conversely the Bucks don't own their own let alone others until 2031. OKC had a lot of other young talent that the Bucks don't have. Giannis might be worth a haul, but that Paul George haul the Thunder got was one of the biggest in NBA history. I think we all agree its unlikely the Bucks or any team have a rebuild like the Thunder have. But the Bucks could go from the lottery to playoff like the Magic/Pistons have done and then those picks we hold are just average draft picks - not a top of the lottery golden ticket we're hoping for.
Yeah as others have pointed out the Bucks can still be disappointing but not one of the worst 5 teams in the NBA where we get a prime lottery ticket. It actually super rare to have a team finish in the top5 of the lottery while not controlling their draft pick at all. Most lottery teams have an incentive to tank so prioritize young guys over wins. A team without the benefit of their own pick doesn't have that so they'll play guys that get wins - especially late in the season. The Nets picks that led to Brown then Tatum on the Celtics are about the only ones I can remember in the last 30 years where this happened. So even if much of what your saying is true and the Bucks are losing - that doesn't mean were getting a great lottery pick from them.
disagree....the time lag was always a big issue because assumptions about where any NBA team could be in 5 years are dubious, at best. a lot can happen to a team in 5 seasons. Milwaukee trading Giannis and starting a rebuild this summer might not be a good thing for Portland
We don't need anything. That the picks are unprotected is nice, but realistically it was always a bonus, the idiot frosting on the moron cake their front office gave us. We would have traded Dame for protected picks. Also, even if they have the worst record in the league that year, the average pick they'd give us is 3.7, which means more likely outside the top 3 than inside it. What it does mean is that, however good or bad they are in 2028, they will not improve through the draft for three years. It was a frankly immoral trade. We fleeced them. They will be pretty bad in 2028, because a front office is stupid enough to completely fuck the team like that isn't smart enough to rebuild by 2028. And they will stay bad in 2029 and 2030 because we own their picks. I promise you, we will be just fine. We will be drafting top 10 talent for three straight years while being a solid playoff team. That's fucking insane. Being mad about it not being top 3 is not a useful way to expend your energy.
Now show me the ones where the front office was stupid enough to trade three first round picks in a row.
https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Bucks/17/draft-picks Look at this shit. Like, really look at it. They don't own a first round pick this summer. New Orelans can swap their 2026 pick next summer, and their 2027 pick the summer after that. They leveraged everything and lost. They are not pulling off a smart, efficient rebuild in five years. They might not be able to really rebuild until 2031.
Yup they went all in and they got a ring out of it. But they completely jacked their future.... I guess that's really the true definition of "all in" though
I agree with what you said except the last line. Who the fuck is mad? I am just saying that to get the most out of the trade, the longer they wait to rebuild, the better IMO. Yes, either way, their pick is valuable. But just like this year, getting a decent shot at the #1 pick is always preferred. Of course, if we trade it, it becomes moot.
It was more generally directed; I'm sorry I misjudged your emotions. I took the bold "need" in your post to be an emotional intensifier.
Also, Dame is on contract next year and has a 58 million dollar player option two years from now... you better fucking believe he won't retire until he can get that last extension. Giannis has a big player option in two years too. That team is hamstrung.
The Nets weren't in a terribly different place a few years ago, then flipped Durant for 4 picks+Bridges, then flipped Bridges for 5 picks. The Bucks rebuild in the next 3-4 years almost entirely comes down to what they get in return for Giannis.
That's only if Jon fucking Horst can get savvy value for a vet that is reaching overpriced status, and receive picks from a team that's going to get better because Giannis is on their team. No, I don't think Milwaukee is getting out of this looking good.
Look at how bleak the Clippers future looked the prior 1-2 years? While probably not great today, its much better. Lakers had hit a goldmine with the Luka trade. Conversely Dallas went from a likely decade of being a contender to a horrible future in 2 months. Phoenix looks really bad right now as well. 6ers went from the #1 offseason to one of the worst futures too. The outlook of NBA rosters can swing a lot in one season - and exponentially more in 3-4 years.
We would be good trade partners for Mil. I honestly don’t see Giannis agreeing to come to Portland after being in Mil his entire career though(think he’d want to try a big market). Also, would we want to give up a bunch for a 31 year old Giannis whose game is all built on athleticism?
