[Semi-OT] The Lakers are an absolute Dumpster Fire and I am loving every second of it

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I use stats because they often demonstrate the fallacy of assumption. I also wasn't suggesting that Reaves might start over Avdija so that's a straw man. Just that he might be better as a lead guard than Simons or Scoot. Would I want Reaves starting over Scoot? not really. I'd like to see Scoot as a full time starter for a season, instead of a limited minute backup

    the Deni as PG suggestion has been made many times. I can't see it. I even question how good he'll be as a secondary facilitator compared with the rest of the NBA

    player: assist rate - assist/turnover rate

    Avdija: 19.9% - 1.43

    Jalen Williams: 23.4% - 2.46
    Alperen Sengun: 24.1% - 1.89
    Amen Thompson: 16.9% - 1.90
    Austin Reaves: 24.9% - 2.38
    Jamal Murray: 23.2% - 2.92
    Aaron Gordon: 15.0% - 2.25
    Julius Randle: 22.5% - 1.65
    Dante DiVencenzo: 20.2% - 2.27
    Draymond Green: 26.2% - 2.20
    Jimmy Butler: 26.5% - 4.05
    Desmond Bane: 26.2% - 2.21
    Sabonis: 26.0% - 2.09
    Malik Monk: 25.7% - 2.28
    Dinwiddie: 22.1% - 3.42
    Devin Booker: 30.6% - 2.40
    Stephen Castle: 22.8% - 1.88
    Zion: 36.6% - 1.77
    Jayson Tatum: 27.0% - 2.06
    Josh Hart: 20.7% - 2.87
    Andrew Nembhard: 22.5% - 2.91
    Giannis: 36.0% - 2.10
    Franz Wagner: 26.6% - 2.16
    Paolo Banchero: 26.0% - 1.61
    Adebayo: 20.0% - 2.09
    Scottie Barnes: 27.7% - 2.04

    Avdija: 19.9% - 1.43
    Scoot: 28.1% - 1.89
    Simons: 23.3% - 2.36
    Banton: 21.5% - 1.86

    Now, Deni's signature is turbo mode. I think he gets a lot of turnovers by relentlessly attacking the basket. Do he's probebly cut down on his turnovers by putting a bit of throttle on his dribble-penetration. But at this point, he just doesn't protect the ball and value possessions enough to be the secondary facilitator, let alone the first

    oops....more stats....sorry
     
  2. Pinwheel1

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    Agree. Which is exactly why I don't think their stats are the best way to compare all of them. Too many variables like how they play and who they are playing with. I mean, Reaves was playing alongside Luka and LBJ. Who you play with matters.
     
  3. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Lakers 2-14 in their last 16 playoff games.

    Id rather miss the playoffs like the Blazers than go through that hahahaha
     
  4. wizenheimer

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    but Deni isn't the only player on that list that attacks the basket

    Deni and Sengun both take around 32% of their shots at the rim. Giannis is over 50%; Amen 45%; Aaron Gordon 35%; Wagner 27%; Zion 60%

    now, in order to get a fuller picture, would probably need to factor assisted FG rate

    still, out of all those secondary facilitators, Deni had the 3rd lowest assist rate and by far the worst assist/turnover rate. So even adjusting his numbers up a little he's still not in the realm of an acceptable option as a PG, at least not compared to the rest of the NBA
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe just confirm stuff other people have been saying...
     
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    I feel like the turnovers should drastically improve over time. Didn’t see a ton of him in Washington but feel like this was the first time he’s really been allowed to expand his game to running the offense. Like anything you do it enough you start to improve over time. This is why I really felt like not starting Scoot was such a major mistake. He now has to use next year as his learning year (assuming they finally make him our starting PG).
     
  7. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Stop it. I can only get so erect.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    The BOY was rooting for Ant and the Wolves actually. Said he couldn’t cheer though because of where he was sitting.HA!
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    @THE HCP just found your dream job. Buh-bye!


    The Lakers posted a job listing for a head strength and conditioning coach who is “responsible for motivating players and holding them accountable for their work in the weight room”

    Job application:https://www.teamworkonline.com/bask...jobs/head-strength-conditioning-coach-2121092

    Pay 200-250k

    Position Summary: The Head Strength & Conditioning Coach for the Los Angeles Lakers ensures that each player has an individually designed strength and conditioning plan to promote and support his maximum performance and health maintenance. This role implements, monitors and adjusts player workouts year-round as needed. In addition, the Head Strength & Conditioning Coach is responsible for motivating players and holding them accountable for their work in the weight room. Must be able to work well in a team, work irregular hours, and travel overnight for extensive periods of time.

    Interesting job posting from the Lakers, any qualified applicants here ready to hold the Lakers players accountable next year?
     
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    The official job title is actually "Make sure Luka isn't Fat"
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Hold my iced tea FAMS!
     
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    Mrs. HCP maybe.
     
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  13. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    [​IMG]

    Guess who I just saw exercising at the Lakers practice facility?!?
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Damn you could barely afford a one bedroom apartment on that salary.
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm pretty sure you'd be living in Luka's kitchen.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    200-250k in LA? Yeah it's probably the equivalent to 60k in OKC.
     
  17. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Actually, it's be about the equivalent to 140K.
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Someone should take the job and then go in there to neg Luka about his weight. Drive down that self esteem.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Get him on a strict diet plan of In-N-Out double doubles to help him get triple doubles.
     
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  20. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Andre the Giant would drink 108 beers a day and was a champion. Luka should try that.
     
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