Event Egor Demin? 2025 nba draft candidate

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  1. wizenheimer

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    maybe the numbers, or what you call anecdotes, don't change the situation...but they certainly are a concern

    I don't know that perimeter shooting is the easiest skill to improve. Maybe. But many players come into the NBA as poor perimeter shooters and don't really improve. Demin is shooting 27% from the college three point line; and 69.5% from the FT line. As I said, those two factors, taken together, don't generate a lot of optimism he can improve enough to be considered an acceptable threat from range.

    Maybe his other skills are strong enough to offset the worries about his poor perimeter shooting and warrant using a lottery pick on him. That I don't know
     
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    Scoot was a decent FT shooter in G-league (76.4%) and carried that thru to the NBA. He was also shooting 27% from three, like Denim, but he was doing it from the NBA distance; Denim was shooting that from the college line
     
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    Want to see a crazy career from three?

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    And they still didnt ....lol
    Westbrook carrer 30.5%
    Jordan 32%
     
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    It certainly happens. Deni improved a ton in year 4/5. Yes Scoot improved a lot last year. Ant actually struggled his first two years and then became pretty elite. Jabari Walker % has gone way up in year 3. Jeremi Grant was bad his first 4 years then much better.

    Thats only guys on the current Blazers roster. So actually seems most players significantly improve in their first four years as opposed to being a final product on day 1.

    It's pretty hard for us on our couch to project where a 19 year olds shooting will be 4 years from now though. So thats really where the Blazers scouting need to earn their salaries.
     
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    Must be Telfair?
     
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    One thing to keep in mind — Egor is a bit raw.

    Can you be patient for a few years?
     
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    The last championship run Jordan averaged
    35.2%
    42.7%
    37.4%

    Westbrooks numbers are up now compared to the rest of his career.

    *Edit* Not as much as I remembered on Westbrook: Over the last 3 seasons 31.7% compared to his career average of 30.5%.
     
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    Indeed it is.
     
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    I think this guy should wear a Canadian tuxedo wherever he goes. He'll get the nickname Egor Demin the denim demon.

    Seriously though if this guy ends up being a star he'll have to be called The Demon. If he's a transcendent superstar who has some signature moves, when someone does one of his moves after he has retired the announcer will say, "That was demonic".

    This guy is a marketing bonanza if he's really good.
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Looking at the data:
    - I took 281 college players drafted from 2011 to 2020.
    - I filtered by players that played a minimum of 164 games in the NBA.

    I compared their college 3-pt shooting percentage to their NBA 3-pt shooting percentage.

    On average, players only improve their shooting percentage by 0.7% (if they shot 35.0% in college, they shot 35.7% in the NBA).

    Also, I looked at their FT% to see if that was a good indicator if they could more easily 'learn' to be a good 3-pt shooter. I found no correlation -

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    My conclusion: Becoming a good NBA 3-point shooter is not easily learned. What the player is in college is probably what the player will be in the NBA. Sample size is of course a factor. Free-throw shooting is not a good indicator if a player can more easily learn to be a good NBA 3 pt shooter.
     
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    This says a lot about Scoot.
     
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    Agreed. Although he went thru the G-League and played with the NBA 3-point line before the NBA. But still, what he's done is the exception.
     
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    Look at the trend in his percentages. His first year with new teams is bad. His second year is much better. Shooting can be as much between the ears as it is in the body. Perhaps moving from Russia to mormon Utah was a bit of an adjustment!? I trust in his mechanics. It might take a year or two, but I think his shooting will be fine.
    I'm not sure Portland has a specific shooting coach, but there have been a few guys recently who have shown considerable improvement in their time here.
     
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    Watching the 8 minutes of Indy/ NY we better draft the best shooter we can.
    Indy is the best shooting team in the NBA.
     
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    He's more than just a shooter too. Very smart, decent D, and a deep love of the game with some dog.
     
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    This is the problem with stats lying. Or at least being misleading.

    Your filter was for anyone drafted last decade that played basically two years. That probably includes a lot of players that just weren't good enough anyway and were playing out their rookie contracts before being let go. Others were players who were forwards who never were good at shooting 3s and likely never did.

    I wonder what percentage of those players in the 2010s played more than a year in college was compared to now when almost everyone coming into the NBA is 19.

    It's a great bit of work you did. There still are a lot of variables that are extremely difficult to measure and things that even the filters can't tell you.
     
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    My data set was players that played a minimum of 164 NBA games. More than 2 seasons.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    What about his motor? Drive, fight etc?
     

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