Event Egor Demin? 2025 nba draft candidate

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  1. PCmor7

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    Isn't an NBA season 82 games? Two seasons = 164.
     
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    Yeah. So these are players that played 2 or more NBA seasons. I didn’t want to include players like you pointed out earlier that were borderline and didn’t get a chance to play and improve.
     
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    Don't 1R draft picks get guaranteed 2-year contracts, though? My point being that there were a lot of borderline players included just by filtering it that way. Anyone picked in the first round is going to be around at least two years, whether they have it or not. The tires are being kicked on them. Then a slice of that pie is players whose games aren't predicated on shooting the 3. Then a slice of those players are guys that were in college for 3 years instead of 1 who got to improve their shooting % before going pro and had a much larger sample size.

    And, after all of that, their 3-pt % went up nearly an entire point, which actually is more significant than it's going to appear.
     
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    NBA franchises by in large disagree with that last part. They study this stuff for a living so I'm not going to argue with that.

    I'd like to see you filter by lottery picks or 1st round picks and see what the results are.
     
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    okay, but I don't think Demin will be running an NBA point real soon as his handle is another skill he's not very good at (yet)... they get into that in the video I linked below. Smaller players hounded him into a lot of turnovers in college (2.9 TOs per game) and it won't get easier in the pros. Part of the reason most PGs are shorter is that taller players have higher dribbles and are easier to pick. I think it's more likely he finds success as a secondary playmaker, but he'll have to improve his 3 ball for that role.

    Again, he's an intriguing prospect with some very desirable skills. I would be excited if they selected him as that would mean they believe he's going to get a lot better at some of his shortcomings, I just think he's at least a season away from contributing much.



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    I think Kasparas is more well rounded but I doubt he's there at 11. If he is, I prefer him but still like Demin's chances at being special.
     
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    Players miss games.
    Sharpe has played in ~185 games after 3 seasons.
    Camara is at ~150 games after 2 season
    Scoot is at ~130 games

    His filter on the analysis is fair
     
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    Watching his interviews he’d fit right in with his nice guy kinda goofy personality. So that’s a pass on him for me. We need some more alpha types on this roster imo. We need more dawgs.
     
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    how many times have you heard players described as transforming into completely different people once play begins? Things definitely change once the endorphins kick in.

    Also, while I agree that you want players with a very competitive on-court personalities, it's a bit different for scorers vs facilitators. Scorers ideally are stone cold killers on the court while the best facilitators can be a bit more zen. I can think of great players that were/are exceptions to these stereotypes but thats a general observation.

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    How is this guy likely to succeed more than that Poku guy that OKC wasted a pick on?

    I mean, flashy passes are my jam, so I'd love him as a G-League re-claimee or trade throw-in (a la Banton) but surely we can't afford to waste #11 on a guy who has essentially one skill (two if height alone counts as an NBA skill).
     
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    They don't miss so many games that it would skew it that much. In the case of Camara, he's 1% short of making that benchmark.

    I think it's quibbling to say "he didn't QUITE" play 164 games over two seasons to support a misleading metric. If you have to qualify details that minute, the argument has some pretty gaping holes in its legitimacy.
     
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    Most of those guys are also dogged defenders.
     
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    what trend? He only spent 1 season at BYU

    I was only able to find this when searching for his stats in the Euro Cadet League (high school) when he played for Real Madrid (under 18 tournament):

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    https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/en/euroleague/players/egor-demin/011647/

    I'd be interested if there is more of a record somewhere even though I'm not sure HS stats would tell us much

    as a 15-16 year old he shot 43% on three's; but as a 17-18 year old he shot 19%. Combining that data set with his BYU record, he shot 68-239 on three's. That's 28.5% and 239 shots is a decent sample size. As far as I can tell, the euro/fiba three point arc is about the same distance from the hoop as the NCAA arc. His 2 point FG% improved but I can't find anything on average shot distance

    by the way, he didn't move from Moscow-->Provo; it was Moscow-->Madrid (3-4 years)-->Provo
     
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