Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

Fully agree. I like Deni a lot. I don't want trading him to be the logically best option.

 

We aren’t trading Deni for future picks when all the other moves the front office has made is to improve us for this season.

 

So, if his greatest value is to a team contending to win now, what are you expecting in return? Their non-lottery future picks do not excite me.

No one is untouchable, but IMO you never trade a young talent who is on a cheap deal unless he wants out of Portland, or you have a blatant duplication at one position, and you know exactly what you are getting in return. A contending team that needs Deni is unlikely to give up another young talent in return unless they have a duplication at a different position. So it is possible, but it seems unlikely.

Deni would leave a big hole in the Blazer lineup. We have been searching for a talented PT forward for a while, and now that we have finally found one, I sure as hell do not want to move him for unknown draft picks.

 

If we can’t trade Grant then we need to just chill the fuck out on this season. Let it play out. See how Scoot and Shae do. See if Deni takes another jump. We shouldn’t trade ANY young guys. Grant can sit his ass on the bench.

 

That's why you get unprotected picks years out, see Phoenix, Clippers, Bucks, etc.

Also plenty of contending teams would have unprotected picks from other teams. Atlanta, Houston, OKC, SAS, etc all have a bunch.

Hopefully the Blazers win more and or Scoot/Sharpe improve. But if the the rest of the Blazers roster flops I can see strategically it making sense to trade Deni/Camara.

In theory the unknown aspect of picks vs a Deni player is a big advantage to the picks if your building a team looking for a star. Deni is not a star. A contending team that already has stars would want the more conservative known commodity with less risk in Deni.

 

Why does everyone think we are years out? What does Indiana have that we potentially don’t have? My biggest concern is CB and Sharpe turning into the scorer we need. I think we have a pretty solid lineup especially if Scoot/Sharpe take a step.

 

No offense, but in my humble opinion, moving Deni and Camara for picks would be about the dumbest fucking thing we could possibly do. Now, if Dallas came to us before the draft and said they would give us Flagg for one of those two (or even both), then sure, I can see it.
But a scenario like that is rare. As long as Deni and Camara play well this year, you keep them and trade the ones who flop.

 

If Deni's not a star, why would a team on the cusp of a championship give up all these unprotected picks for him? Would we even recoup what we gave up to get him?

Also, what's the point continuing to acquire picks years out if we supposedly have nothing else on our roster already? By the time we get those picks, Sharpe and Scoot "won't fit the timeline."

It's counterproductive to keep dealing our assets for even more nebulous assets before we have an idea what we actually have. The tank-rinse-repeat leaves you in the lottery perpetually. By the time you hit the jackpot, you get a great player with nothing around them because you've kept trading growing assets in the name of them being at their peak value.

 

Agreed, the hypothetical trade Deni/Camara would only be something to consider if our other youth flops and our future looks bleak.

 

Yep. The logical thing would be to at least see what the market would pay for Deni at the moment. My guess is his value probably does not get any higher than it is at the moment with 3 years left on his deal (unless he suddenly morphs into all-NBA next season). If he plays at the same level next year I think his value decreases a lot.

I don't think that is something they will consider though. They seem to be pretty invested in him, which I'm ambivalent towards. At the very least, it lets us know we did not overpay for him last year.

 

Do you consider Bridges a star? Brooklyn got a haul of picks for him.

If our roster looked as bad as Brooklyn did maybe it would be a new direction to consider.

I wouldn't trade Deni or Camara now.

 

Don’t the GM’s & coaches get together during summer league like they do during all star break? I don’t think the NBA trading is done yet.

 

The concept is that Deni/Camara have more value to a contender than to the Blazers if all our other talent flops.

Seems like a logical concept, if our situation changed and our future looked more bleak.

 

Trading arguably our best player who fits the current timeline sends a pretty bleak message to the rest of the team that you’re trying to sell the “time to compete” message to.

 

The problem is if he's back to being good, sitting him will not sit well with him (pun intended), that will prompt him to request a trade (not kidding). Jeramie is human, with pride.

 

You were the one that said Deni wasn't a star, or did I misunderstand you? Now it sounds like you're stepping back from what you said earlier. Again, maybe I missed your point. I just don't think you can keep trading off quality players -- especially those you gave up prime assets to acquire -- just because they aren't great. The only exception to that is if you're getting back something that IS great, not just a few more lottery tickets.

 

I think a Demond Bane type return or better is more than reasonable.

Do you think Portland is likely to be able to build a contender in the next three seasons? If you do, then 100% we should keep Deni. If you don't, then being open to trading him seems like a logical option because his cheap deal will no longer be part of the equation.

 

I didnt think there was any other way than to think like this, since it is the answer.

 

Agree on both points. And I won't sit here pissing and moaning that we do end up keeping him. I'm just pointing out that his greatest value to us is probably in a trade.

 

yes, correct, SL is a known time for GMs to talk about life and business with their colleagues in person instead of over the phone.