Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

As currently constructed the starting lineup should be imo…

Jrue
Sharpe
Deni
Camara
Clingan

I don’t care about Grants feelings. He’s not better than Camara or Deni. Also why hasn’t Camara signed an extension?

 

Forget Grant and his trade value. It is better to go with Deni. Why give him a reason to resent the organization?

 

Ginobli never resented the Spurs and Lindsay Hunter never resented the Pistons...contenders have allstar 6 men in the rotation. Also Deni is locked up..he will start at some point. Grant is coming off a career worst season...building his trade value to me would be the only way to replace him and his salary moving forward. Ginobli was a 2 time allstar..2005 and 2007

 

No, because Grant will also be starting and Sharpe will be on the bench.

That was the lineup last season.

 

Deni is not locked up. He will be an UFA in like 2028

 

2028 is years from now. We have him under contract right now for the near future. He’s not an UFA now at all there is plenty of time to extend him

 

Grant scored 49 for us against Detroit and 44 against the Suns...had a 30 pt game....as well during his best stretch with the Blazers...he should get back to that with Jrue as a pt guard. I think three seasons of tanking took the wind out of our vets sails by last season...tanking doesn't build winning habits. With Jrue and Dame in the locker-room I expect to see motivated vets this season. Grant won a FIBA gold in Brazil and an Olympic gold in Tokyo

 

I don't really care at all about Grant scoring a bunch of points. Id probably prefer he score closer to 10ppg than 20ppg

I want to see efficient shots and good defense. Attacking when he has a nice opportunity but deferring to others when he doesn't.

 

I agree, which is why he should start. If he is in with Deni and Shae and either Scoot or Jrue, he is more likely to shoot less.

However if he is the designated scorer off the bench, his role changes. I realize he and Tou shot about the same percentage from deep, but I think that Grant is still considered the better 3pt shooter and more likely to spread the floor for his teammates, allowing them to attack the basket.

 

Why do you guys assume Grant won’t be fine coming off the bench?

about 40% of his games for his whole career he has come off the bench.

he has played the role player very well in many spots, Denver and OKC to name, I don’t think he will have any problem coming off the bench IMO.

He got a fat salary from us and I don’t view him as a guy that will complain if he isn’t starting, especially with Dame back now.

 

It just doesn't make sense. Grant is not part of the future of this team. Why bench Camara or Deni for a guy who played like shit last year and has no future here beyond this contract?

From a basketball standpoint, it makes no sense to start Grant.

He only appears one time in the top 4 man rotations for the team last year and it was barely a net positive (+0.3 points minus opponent points)


If you look at the top 3 man rotations he also only appears one time with a negative -2.7 points


Same story with 2 man combos.


The main thing you can take away from those three tables is that Deni and Clingan MUST start.

The best 5 man lineup last year included Grant though.


Funny enough, the worst three combos last year had one thing in common.... they didn't have Deni.


If you look purely at the lineups that had the most minutes though, the best two lineups included Sharpe, with Deni/Camara/Clingan and then either Simons or Scoot. So I think it makes sense that you take those lineups and plug in Jrue.

 

I think it's more that Chauncy will start him, but it seemed like Grant wasn't thrilled in his exit interview.

 

We desperately need players who can score in bunches...Grant can also defend really well..I think raising his value this season is a smart roster move so you can move his last year or two to a contender and extend the young guys. He's a stop gap vet as it is. To me his weakness is his rebounding and he couldn't play paired with Ayton very well at all.

 

First off, we do not know if he is or is not part of the future. He will be 31 next season. He could be here another 5 years if he plays well, and he is locked up for another 3. Yeah, he had a bad season last year. Things change.

The basketball standpoint is all I care about. More specifically, which 5 complement each other the best. I mentioned 2 months ago that if Ayton started, then Grant needed to come off the bench. But if Clingan started....... then Grant needed to start. You guys make a great argument for why Camara should start instead, but it's not like starting Grant makes zero sense. An argument can be made either way IMO.

 

Yang's the only Blazer with a contract longer than Grants - so not sure how you consider him a stopgap.

 

Check the on/off stats though
Toumani: +3.2 ORtg
Deni: +3.4 ORtg
Scoot: +3.2 ORtg
Clingan: +4.6 ORtg
Sharpe: -0.1 ORtg
Grant: -5.0 ORtg
Simons: -4.2 ORtg
Ayton: -5.1 ORtg
Murray: +2.4 ORtg
Thybulle: +3.9 ORtg
RobWill: -0.4 ORtg

We dumped two of the three worst players on our team in terms of on/off.... guess who the third player is?

Based on the numbers, our starting lineup next year should be:

Jrue
Sharpe
Tou
Deni
Clingan

Or maybe:

Scoot
Jrue
Tou
Deni
Clingan

 

in context I was talking about building his trade value and trading him at the deadline...to start him for half a season and get off his deal would mean the upcoming season he's a "stopgap vet" that isn't in our long term plans...the idea is to see if you can sell high on him, not play out his current deal or sell very, very low for him this offseason.

 

I don't care about those particular stats. Otherwise, we might as well start Thybulle over Sharpe. And unless Sharpe comes into camp and has regressed over the summer, I want him and Deni starting. The rest I am open to.

 

Reading this article actually pretty impressive Blazers don't have any transaction worse than this. 26 teams have a worse move. Yeah the Grant move isn't good but it's not close to as bad as what most NBA teams have done.

#1 (worst in the NBA) Mavs dumping Luka for AD
2 Suns Durant
3 Bucks Dame (good for us!)
4 Nets Harden
5 SAC losing both Haliburton Fox
6 NOP Dejounte Murray
7 ATL Dejounte Murray
8 Marcus Smart
9 Nikola Vucevic
10 $ to Embiid/PG13

All of the worst deals are forking over assets for allstars older than 30.

Makes me super nervous about doing an "all in" trade to bring a star here or Giannis or such.

Might ultimately be far better to just be patient, try to build a team slows and cautiously.