Politics CHARLIE KIRK SHOT IN UTAH

So I had heard of this guy before but I had never watched him before. He's a hard person to watch.

 

There is NO argument to this. Disgusting.

 

Does this even move the needle to help discourse of gun safety? It happened to one of their own.

I hope so.

 

Well, if anything, this is what anti-gun people have wanted. They used a bolt action. One shot and one kill. This is exactly what they have wanted! Not a mass shooting. I don't think there's many laws that would have prevented that.

 

I don't like the illusion of "just trying to have a conversation" when they repeatedly cut people off, act combative, and talk down to people. That's not a conversation. But it's not surprising because that's how Trump talks.

 

He was in the other videos that I saw of Kirk speaking. Clearly a bodyguard.

 

No. They are going to blame the left. Even if it turns out that the person is a registered Republican. They'll just say the guy was gay or trans! So obviously left.

None if them are actually interested in curbing gun violence anyway. It's far more profitable to argue about it.

There will be no meaningful movement on gun rights unless fair elections are a thing of the past.

 

Agreed

 

Yeah, I don't not getting the both side stuff on this.

I can't recall any Dem leader spewing propaganda about locking up or harming people. Or celebrating acts of violence.

This is a MAGA/Q thing

 

"All signs point to Israel"

A single post in this forum.

1. Is a lie. Check.
(All? Signs)
Maybe some. Maybe few. nope - All signs.

2. Trying to convice others - check.

3. Seems to me saying something like that is in actuallity claiming to know what happened (without actually engaging in debate proposing what you are basing your claim upon).

Yeah - if I follow cadance brown who hates Israel - her signs will direct the blame to Israel, just the same if I follow some Maga media person the blame will be pointed to left woke democrats. Again - all I am saying this point blame/fingers at sides right now is the exact thing that lead to decisive and hatefull discussion.
A petry dish for conspiracies.
I wish not to be included in this narrative, but I will point out when someone is taking it too far.
If someone here said

All signs lead to Maga
All signs lead to Woke left
All signs lead to Qatar
All signs lead to liberals
All signs lead to queers

I would still call it out. Hope for it to be called out by others.
I happen to be Israeli so the specific post resonated with me a bit more..

 

open and honest dialogue… Must be from all sides…
Pretty sure i said the those things?

But the left does not have open and honest dialogue with aggressive restraint. Neither does the right. But let’s not act like the left doesn't rage.
Ive been told to fuck off for simply trying to engage in a conversation about abortion. Simply asking questions and told to fuck off. Im pro abortion with limits! That is not open and honest dialogue and is not aggressive restraint.

Of course NONE of this is an answer if we aren't able to observe our own behaviors with honesty and modesty.
None of us are perfect, but self accountability for ones behavior is essential for open and honest dialogue to take place.

 

It’s inevitable. Just read some of the comments in this forum. Sooo many people entrenched to the point if you disagree with them on anything you are evil to them.

I see it on both sides. Fb is flooded with right wingers calling the dems evil. Dems calling republicans racist nazis.
Its soooo entrenched even educated, intelligent people are lost/caught up in this battle. Just read this forum. It’s very, very, disheartening.

 

That was a statement of opinion based on observation.

I'm not concerned about observation based opinions when I'm calling out Charlie Kirk or MAGA.

 

I have a theory that at some point this decade someone realized that bots are far more effective amplifying the worst of both sides than engaging with politics directly.