Politics CHARLIE KIRK SHOT IN UTAH

Yeah that was he story but he was starting a nationwide tour. How long do you think that was going to last?

 

I directly quoted you twice.

 

I honestly think he would just have avoided it constantly. He would say he trusts the president to make the right decision.

That's what I fully expected from watching several of his other "debates".

 

The discussion became how do we improve things.

One suggestion was that we need honest and open dialogue.

My claim was that you it's difficult to have honest and open dialogue with people who don't respect academia and science.

COVID was using as an example.

Voila!

I'm sorry.

 

the point originated from the conflicting reports of covid and how to handle it. Whether intentional malicious agendas or not there was disagreement. But that isn't my point. My point is the public reaction. How we react and interact. In the beginning it was not clear the best course but people were vilified for not agreeing with others on how to handle things.
My whole point has been how we communicate with one another regarding what is going on.
This whole conversation has done nothing but prove my point. There is little open and honest dialogue. Just a bunch of finger pointing to anyone who disagrees and claiming they are evil or the problem.

 

and i explained those quotes and referred to my original statement.

 

Teachers hopefully do have an effect on students..the idea is to teach them independent thinking and how to learn and solve problems or access information. If that's grooming a child, then the world needs a hell of a lot more of them. A few teachers I was lucky to have changed my life and way of seeing the world. Legitimate science requires leaving all dogma, bias and personal agendas outside the lab. Science is not about what kind of person you are...it's neutral to that.

 

by advocating for open and honest dialog without practicing open and honest dialog?

 

Just an example of crazies on both ends of extremism.

Im 75 years old and do remember days when that happened and righty exre,eisr bowing up abortion clinics.

 

But there were clear suggestions from epidemiologists.

The people who followed those suggestions (even as more information became available and the recommendations changed and loosened) had better results than the people who didn't (on average, by far).

The reluctance to listen to those epidemiologists and eagerness to fight their recommendations are what divided everyone.

 

i think most of the division came from lack of trying to help each other understand snd instead using it as a political divide to vilify thy neighbor. This was done by us and our lack of emotional control. Not them.

 

If somebody is deliberately disregarding epidemiologists recommendations during a pandemic (by definition putting others in danger) their neighbors are probably going to be pissed.

That is a result of a lack of respect for academia and science, IMO.

 

i post where scientists were not all in agreement regarding the effect of masks and some other things.

we all know about the algorithms. We all know we may not all be getting the same information/news.
Instead of discussing with thy neighbor, we vilified them.

 

I think a disconnect here is that it's not really public figures who are celebrating Kirk's death on the left. It's young people mostly, flooding social media with jokes. And, to be honest, the average liberal with a dark sense of humor might be a little naive on consequences because they haven't developed a cancel culture victimization complex like the MAGA right has. Shocking amount of highly educated morons out there posting burner account stuff on their LinkedIn profiles.

It's not really my scene but a prominent leftist streamer named Hasan who said something about America deserving 9/11 or something edgy in the same vein was clearly shaken up by Charlie's death. He had to tell the chat in his stream to stop joking about it. It's the audiences that these guys cater to, these terminally online young men, that take things way too far.

I'm not sure what the solution is besides additional monitoring, but by whom? The incompetent, often complicit FBI?

 

right wing being peaceful and reasonable:

 

I have yet to see any epidemiologist who disagreed with any of those recommendations.