<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (desi tmac91 @ May 22 2006, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I swear i'm going to bomb the bi*ch that wrote that! What makes Islam evil? Do you no how forgiving we are, how honest we are, how we teach, how we react? No!</div>LMAO you say you are going to bomb the bi*ch who wrote it, the nyou say Islam is not real.
Alrite, look, Islam is NOT evil.You might think Hudd, or killing people for adultery might be BAD and BARBARIC, but none of you anti-Islam people know that Muslims care more of the AFTERLIFE than FIRST LIFE, so we believe that if you let yourself die for a GOOD reason (because of adultery), you go to Heaven no doubt!See, that's the beauty of Islam. It's not as evl as you think.
I dont know what you said, but ya its definetely a peaceful RELIGION. The terrorists are not followers of Islams teaching.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 22 2006, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me begin by saying this Article is a comlete and utter insult to all Muslims; this Article just totally obliterates the Muslim philosophy - not only does it do that, but it does it by stating "facts" that are simply wrong. With the few things that it did get right - it skewed them to make it sound as if Islam is trying to take over the world - I am pissed; this guy just totally undermines Islam by trying to carry his own agenda - let someone who actually follows the relgion actually explain to you what Islam really is. If you took the time to read this long, and insulting article, than please listen to someone who actually follows the religion: go visit: www.sultan.orgI study this site as if it's my second Qur'an - it is a step by step breakdown to everything in Islam - I highly reccomend it. For those who read the article, please just throw everything you learned from the article into the garbage - I'm telling you this is totally wrong - he states something in Islam is evil such as them "wanting to take over the world," than he goes to say that Judaism is thriving for world peace - please! JustBlaze - that article is seriously ridiculous, who's the author?</div>I don't know why you're holdin your anger in, JustBlaze Idc if you warn me, im saying it loud and clear this guy who wrote this is a little fucker who has no clue what hes talking about probably some other old white american fat ass biased against Islam because he's a f*cking ethnocentric little bi*ch<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LUD @ May 22 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LMAO you say you are going to bomb the bi*ch who wrote it, the nyou say Islam is not real.</div>who the F*ck said its islam that makes him want to bomb the guy you idiotis islam telling him to do it? no he feels that way. were a little bit more tight up about our religon because we live in america where the majority are christians and people make fun of our religon and are biased against it. you dont really care because christians dont really know the feeling of racism.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ May 22 2006, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm i have news for some of you, I was born into islam (don't practice it, neither do my parents) but I still know about it being Iranian. It is not the religion that is evil, it's the people who are terrorists are evil. They're using Islam as an excuse to make their ways seem legit. My god some of the opinions in this thread are ridiculous.</div>Finally someone with f*cking sense
By the way, Osama and the Al-Qaeda are GOOD. I thought they were bad, but Al-Jazeera is very truthful, and I got this from a Muslim in America from Jordan (an adult, too, like as the Musjid).America is deluding you. It deluded me ever since today .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ May 22 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, Osama and the Al-Qaeda are GOOD. I thought they were bad, but Al-Jazeera is very truthful, and I got this from a Muslim in America from Jordan (an adult, too, like as the Musjid).America is deluding you. It deluded me ever since today .</div>Whoa... I was just going to read this topic but saying Osama is GOOD? Ok, if killing other people were good, then what is bad?I don't get it. That just made me a bit angry for you to be saying that. Wow you have some issues there
Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ May 22 2006, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, Osama and the Al-Qaeda are GOOD. I thought they were bad, but Al-Jazeera is very truthful, and I got this from a Muslim in America from Jordan (an adult, too, like as the Musjid).America is deluding you. It deluded me ever since today .</div>I don't quite get it yet, please explain yourself Waqas.
I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.
I'll give you all the answers.All the crap you've heard, is bullsh**.It's not Islam you idiot use your brain. It's just the way those particular people feel.That crap about the muslims celebrating after 9/11, is bullsh**. I saw that tape. that was from a while before 9/11.9/11 wasn't done because of Islam, it was done for revenge. In the Vietnam War the Afghanis helped out the Americans and then America never payed them back.Look at Timothy Mcvay, etc. American media makes muslims look so bad. if you're really so interested, just read an english version of the quran.and you dont get killed if convert religons. wouldnt you be a bit mad, just a lil bit if you were jewish and someone converted to islam? not mad, but upset? i would. i would be wondering why
I'm sorry, but I think this topic has gotten out of hand - if you want to show someone you are not what the media portrays you to be, than you have to exhibit qualities that can exemplify Islam in a good light. Waqas, and Mixx, and partially AirBlaze (because of the language) are not helping the situation - but espeically Waqas and Mixx.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BeastInIt @ May 22 2006, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................</div>No, Christianity is also true. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, it still talks about Prophet Muhammad in it. Scholars found this out (people who study Islam first then study other religions for similarities and such), and I'll provide a link tomorrow.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 22 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't quite get it yet, please explain yourself Waqas.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 22 2006, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div>1. You're not allowed to kill people in Islam, and even in the Caliphate (Islamic empire), you weren't allowed to kill Christians or non-Muslims. People must OBVIOUSLY not like him because of his lack of faith, but you aren't supposed to KILL HIM under any circumstances. You might say there are so many bad Muslims and bin Laden (even though he's good), but hey, nobody remembers that Hitler said he was killing Jews for "the Lord."2. Whoever said we want you all to die? Americans can be Muslims, too. 3. No, and plus, Muslims can only "kill or attack people" if their enemy is the aggressor. In fact, Muslims aren't even allowed to conquer land. The Ottomans even bended that.4. Yeah, do you know how much goes on in other countries? Did you ever think of Adolf Hitler? I mean, did you ever think of the KKK? Go ahead and read this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorismYou probably didn't know the Muslim and Hindu filled Kashmir has had 100,000 deaths +.PROPHET MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE...http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/
Every religion is connected if you look hard enough... like just about every religion has something about jesus, its jus that Christianity talks about it the most (that's why its Christianity) and another thing...Islam is not "evil" that's bullsh/t, ever since the war with irac everyone thinks that islam is a bunch of terrorists, well thats bullsh/t too, i have a friend whos islamic, im pretty sure he doesnt want to bomb your house...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 22 2006, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div>Don't worry, I am working on an elaborate response to this clearly biased and uninformed article that has given certain people on this board a twisted vision of our religion. I am halfway done, and I'm going to try to finish the other half tonight and will try to post it tomorrow. I'm sure most of your questions will be answered, and it will prove how biased, uninformed and hypocritical the author of the original article is...And I agree again with ReppinTheD... if you guys are trying to show that Islam is not evil, use rational language and try to explain it with facts... and Waqas, I really don't know what you mean when you claim that Al-Qaeda and Osama are good... because that is complete bullsh**. They are the reason why all Muslims have a bad name and/or image throughout the world, and especially in America.
I'm done with this thread unless it some how get's back on track - maybe with BigMo's post that'll change.
Maybe we should just get a mod to close the thread. We shouldnt have threads like these anymore, they cause WAY too much flaming. why wasn't this already closed by a mod?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, Osama and the Al-Qaeda are GOOD. I thought they were bad, but Al-Jazeera is very truthful, and I got this from a Muslim in America from Jordan (an adult, too, like as the Musjid).</div>Osama is good? Get the hell out of this country.That really pissed me off.
How biased is this statement? Well, first off, the definition of fundamentalism is A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. Now, first of all, if the author of this article had any idea what the Quran says, he would know that Islam requires us to adhere to strict religious principles (five pillars of Islam), but Im guessing he either 1) doesnt know about that, or 2) decided to leave that little bitty minor detail out, right? Second, if there is fundamental Christianity, then is he saying that Christians are intolerant to other religions? If so, then he just contradicted himself. He also says the question is how the Koran is interpreted. That right there should tell you that this entire article is based on his own personal interpretation of the Quran. As Ill show you throughout this post, the author of this article is basically giving his own personal opinion about the religion of Islam, and using facts from the Quran most of which he twists the wording in order to make these facts fit/support his argument, or he just decides to leave a lot of details out. How are they the greatest interpreters of Islam? Do they follow the religion? No. All they do is supposedly read and study the Quran, yet they do not adhere to the rules, nor do they live in the culture, nor do they dedicate their lives to memorizing the Quran and spreading the good word of Allah to the younger generations of Muslims. Alright, so the guy says that we cannot speak and/or describe Islam using our own (Western) terminology and language, right? He just proved my last point and proved this entire article to be completely pointless. Does the author have a problem with the fact that us Muslims must acknowledge and believe that there is only one God and that Mohammad (pbuh) is his prophet? If that is indeed the case, then does he have a problem with the fact that Christians believe in God and Jesus Christ? Also, if this guy ever even took the time to read the Quran he would realize that the teachings of the Quran are similar to the teachings of the Bible. Obviously, not everything will be exactly the same, but for the most part the teachings are similar to one another. But I guess this guy doesnt realize that considering he probably never actually took the time to sit down and read the Quran Oh look how cute, the author once again fails to realize that the rules set forth by the Quran to guide the Muslim way of life also lead to salvation. Yet just another example of his lack of knowledge about the Quran and the religion of Islam. Alright, this guy really comes off as a complete hypocrite here. So, is he saying that Islam does not believe that mankind was created to uphold the image of God? Again if he had actually read the Quran, he would understand how stupid he sounds. Then he goes on to say that throughout history there were times that people twisted the words in the Bible to fit their own personal agendas, and used this to justify their wars and massacres yet as a whole both Judaism and Christianity uphold and honor the image of God, correct? So please explain to me how you can sit there and say that despite certain instances throughout history in which certain individuals or groups of people used the Bible to justify their evil intentions, Christianity and Judaism as a whole are still upholding the honor and the image of God yet when there are only a few Islamic extremists (in comparison to the total number of Muslims in the world today) that twist the words of the Quran to justify their evil intentions, the entire religion of Islam and their followers are labeled as evil? Is EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM carrying out acts of terrorism? No Can you say double standard? I wonder why Completely false. In reality, Islam was not born with the idea of ruling the world, rather the idea that the author twists to fit his purpose of degrading the Islamic religion is that Islam is the final religion that God sent down and will ever send down, and thus will eventually become the biggest religion in the world in terms of the number of followers. The author has some of this right to an extent. Yes, Islam does teach us to recognize all the prophets that were sent down by God before Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Now, what the author twists is the idea that all the previous prophets were Muslims. Read the second to last sentence in the first quoted paragraph, and he pretty much contradicts the purpose of writing that whole section, and will prove my point. We view all the prophets as being sent down by Allah to share the same message to the world. All the teachings in the religions that were sent down are similar in their core message, and that is why they are viewed as being Muslims. Islam recognizes Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., all as independent religions, and we as Muslims also recognize these as religions we dont deny their existence, nor are we taught to degrade their teachings and fundamental principles. What the author fails to mention is that we believe that the books of Judaism and Christianity were slowly changed by their followers, and therefore were not as pure as the Quran which is one of the reasons that Allah sent down the religion of Islam. We do not believe in destroying every other religion by the force of war, however we do believe in trying to spread the true word of Islam and trying to make the other religions pure again in terms of trying to get them to revert back to what their books originally stated which would be exactly what is in the Quran, as the author mentions.Now, as far as the last quoted paragraph goes, how is that any different from the religious intolerance of countries throughout history? America was the first country to stress religious freedom almost every other country in history prior to Americas existence required you to either practice their religion (thereby denying the existence of your own religion) or live under the laws of their religion. Islam did not force Christians and Jews living in Islamic countries to deny the existence of Christianity, Judaism, etc. Hell, if Islam was so intolerant of other religions, why would there be churches, synagogues and temples in Islamic countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, and Saudi Arabia just to name a few) to this day? Again, another false statement spread not only by the author, but by the entire American media about the concept of Islamic Jihad. Jihad is not only a physical war against those who oppress the religion; rather there are 5 types of Jihad:<ul>[*]Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb) is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid.[*]Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), and political or military propaganda.[*]Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm) is a struggle for a good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences [*]Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, providing funding for jihad, political activity for furthering the cause of Islam, stopping evil by force, or espionage.[*]Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war).[/list]Now, before everybody starts saying oh, look, it still says by military force! and all that stuff realize that the Quran teaches us to invite followers of other religions to learn about the religion through our methods of teaching (i.e. reading and studying the Quran, etc.), and we are only allowed to use military force IF another religion declares a holy war against our prophet (pbuh) and his message and initiates the fight. Dont believe me? Read these quotes from notable Islamic scholars around the world:Ramadan Buti, a contemporary Orthodox scholar from Syria, in his work on the subject Jihad in Islam says: Even before Muhammad conducted Jihad by sword against the unbelievers, there is no doubt the Prophet (s) invited these unbelievers peacefully, lodged protests against their beliefs and strove to remove their misgivings about Islam. When they refused any other solution, but rather declared a war against him and his message and initiated the fight, there was no alternative except to fight back"Imam al-Dardir in his book Aqarab al-Maslik says: Jihad is propagating the knowledge of the Divine Law commending right and forbidding wrong. He emphasized that it is not permitted to skip this category of Jihad and implement the combative form, saying, "the first [Islamic] duty is to call people to enter the fold of Islam, even if they had been preached to by the Prophet (s) beforehand."Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid, imam of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem, NY, defines three levels of jihad personal, verbal and physical. (Ill only put about the physical because that is what the author of the article was talking about, but if you are interested, just tell me and Ill post what he says about the other two forms as well): <ul>[*] Physical Jihad: This relates to the use of physical force in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, the Qur'an recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land: "Lo! Those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape persecution) and strive (Jahadu) in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy..." (2:218). If relocation is not possible, then Allah also requires Muslims to defend themselves against oppression by "fighting against those who fight against us." 2 The Qur'an states: "To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to defend themselves], because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory."[/list]
DANG! That is how you do it Waqas and the rest - thats how you defend your self and your religion - i give you PROPS man, this is great - you finished wat I was planning to do. There ya go Just Blaze.
