Invalid Video Link <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The five-years-old speaks in five languages - English, French, Italian, Swahili and Arabic - even though he is completely uneducated. At one year old he was able to recite the Quran and went on to be able to preach in Arabic, Swahili and French without any learning. The boy's first words - "You people repent and you will be accepted by God" were in Arabic. He was also reported to be Hafiz Al Quran (memorized whole Quran) at the age of one and a half years and was also praying 5 times a day at that age. This boy was born into a christian family and they later became muslim... A very large crowd gather in Nigeria as a young child at the age of 5 can speak FLUENT Arabic. At only the age of 5 with no teaching this is a miracle.He can read the Quran also and delivers a message about Islam. This is a true miracle of Islam , Sheikh Sharifuddin was born in a Christian family but was a quran-hafiz (knew the full Qur'an) at the age of 1 1/2 years of age and was praying 5 times a day. Amazingly Sheikh sharifuddin speak in many languages, and with his speech has brought many many people to accept Islam MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO - ANOTHER MIRACLE OF ISLAM SUBHAN-ALLAH Visit, "Child Imam Miracle Child", my other miracle video. Video taken from azgarkhan. More Tags and Info. He was born in a Non-Muslim family, started to read Namaaz(Muslim Prayer) by his own. Miracle in a Non-Muslim family. The Kid suddenly turned to Islam without anyone's aid. He knew a lot without learning True Miracle. Note: Islam doesn't need miracles to prove itself; it is for YOU to see the signs and feel the truth. The biggest miracle is the holy Qur'an itself. A video which will amaze you. Visit the websites below for proof of ALLAH. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles... http://www.islamcan.com/miracles/inde... http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=... http://talkislam.wordpress.com/2006/0... You want proof of ALLAH (swt), Here you go, http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/path... and http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/e... Allah bless him. We all wish we were like him. Muslims come in peace. May Allah take us all to Jannat. Ameen. Comments are more than WELCOME. The way (Deen) of Islam (Complete system of life/Submitting to Allah's will) is the best of ways, not named after anyone, thing or place. Submitting to Allah's will (contained in the Quran and Sunnah) is becoming a Muslim (the one doing Islam) and can only be achieved without any force. Allah created us with the choice to submit or not to submit to him. Allah created the angels to submit without any choice and they still fall short of the worship Allah deserves. In Islam, you do not get forgiven by praying once to Jesus (peace be upon him). Your good deeds should outweight your bad sins. You would not go to Hell, if you believe in God, and Jesus (pbuh) to be prophet. He is not Gods son. He created Jesus just like he created Adam (pbuh). Therefore, we should only pray to God. We should donate; respect our parents, do Good deeds, etc. We are not all the same and we are peaceful. Please do not compare us with Osama Bin Laden. Peace Be Upon You All. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Invalid Video Link</div> Damn, that's some crazy stuff.
I got to throw some David Hume out here. There's a big difference between the miraculous and the improbable. As incredible as this is, it doesn't defy the laws of nature or anything. Religions abuse the word "miracle" far too often, IMO.
That reminds me (to some extent) of the Muslim born baby who had the "tail of Hanuman" (a Hindu God who sports a tail). Apperently, he also had nine spots on his body that was similar to that of Hanuman's body. People in India flocked to catch a glimpse of the boy, labeling him as a God and a saviour. What is often ignored is that being born with a "tail" (I'm not sure what it's called scientifically) actually happens to numerous people. It's still very rare, but it still does happen. However, since this happened in India, the boy was seen as a reincarnation of God. I am a Hindu (although, I am not extremely religious...a more accurate statement would be "I know about Hinduism"), and I don't really buy this at all; however, it's surprising to see that in the name of God, Hindus accepted a Muslim baby as being a reincarnation of one of thier own Gods.
Most of you guys know probably don't know how Allah (meaning God in Arabic) is spelled in Arabic so here it is: Well the point of that was to show this video. It is about "Miracles of Allah." It is pretty interesting to see how so many things in this world are shaped like how "Allah" is spelled in Arabic. Invalid Video Link Invalid Video Link
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I got to throw some David Hume out here. There's a big difference between the miraculous and the improbable. As incredible as this is, it doesn't defy the laws of nature or anything. Religions abuse the word "miracle" far too often, IMO.</div> The kid speaks 4 languages. Lives in a country where arabic is not spoken, and speaks it fluently to get the god's message across. Not to mention he has memorized the Quran, which is LONG. Miracle or not, you decide.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Karma:</div><div class="quote_post">What is often ignored is that being born with a "tail" (I'm not sure what it's called scientifically) actually happens to numerous people. It's still very rare, but it still does happen. However, since this happened in India, the boy was seen as a reincarnation of God. I am a Hindu (although, I am not extremely religious...a more accurate statement would be "I know about Hinduism"), and I don't really buy this at all; however, it's surprising to see that in the name of God, Hindus accepted a Muslim baby as being a reincarnation of one of thier own Gods.</div> Exactly. Too often people make that assumption without considering the fact that there is still a scientific explanation. And it diminishes "miracles" in the actual sense of the word: things that cannot be explained by our understanding of reality (ie: flying, walking on water, resurrection, etc., etc.). If we followed this logic of proclaiming unbelievable phenomena as miracles, then by all means that 3-year old girl who solved a Rubik's Cube just performed a miracle. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">The kid speaks 4 languages. Lives in a country where arabic is not spoken, and speaks it fluently to get the god's message across. Not to mention he has memorized the Quran, which is LONG. Miracle or not, you decide.</div> Not. As improbable and incredible as it is, is not still possible?
I've recently got into this thing about Miracles of Islam & Miracles of Allah. Watched some videos, saw some pictures. They are crazy. I'll share some. ^Mosque in Indonesia after the tsunami hit. ^Beehive that says "Allah" in arabic, clearly. ^A plant similar to cactus... says "Allah" in arabic. ^says "Allah" in arabic in the sky. Chutney, what do you think about those pics man? I mean.. only the mosque is left after the tsunami ... sign of god .. miracle.. would u agree?
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. Too often people make that assumption without considering the fact that there is still a scientific explanation. And it diminishes "miracles" in the actual sense of the word: things that cannot be explained by our understanding of reality (ie: flying, walking on water, resurrection, etc., etc.). If we followed this logic of proclaiming unbelievable phenomena as miracles, then by all means that 3-year old girl who solved a Rubik's Cube just performed a miracle. Not. As improbable and incredible as it is, is not still possible?</div> Maybe if one day you get the chance to recite the Quran, you will understand my point of view. Solving a rubix cube vs. reciting Quran + memorizing it + giving dawah (ability to preach) + speaking Arabic without any education.
Let me empahsize on what Pakman is saying. It is not miracles that just happen like that. They are signs of Allah. You can't say that they are unreal. No one makes those things happen that way, it is just Earth, the human nature,the environment, and everything. We are not trying to tell a message here, but just sharing some interesting videos that might tell something. But nonetheless, it is interesting to see how things like that can form into Allah in arabic.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe if one day you get the chance to recite the Quran, you will understand my point of view. Solving a rubix cube vs. reciting Quran + memorizing it + giving dawah (ability to preach) + speaking Arabic without any education.</div> Dude, you're totally missing the point. I'm not arguing about degrees of improbability. The fact is that both of those things are still physically possible. Hence they shouldn't be classified as miracles.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, you're totally missing the point. I'm not arguing about degrees of improbability. The fact is that both of those things are still physically possible. Hence they shouldn't be classified as miracles.</div> Not a miracle, but a message. These types of things I believe are all messages from Allah.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The fact is that both of those things are still physically possible.</div> It's physically possible for a 5 year old to speak 5 languages and recite the Holy Koran perfectly?
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not a miracle, but a message. These types of things I believe are all messages from Allah.</div> Well, that's just a matter of opinion. The only thing I wanted to make a point about was how people throw around the word "miracle" without really considering what they're saying.
Maybe we really aren't considering Chutney's POV... This might help; Chutney, what do you consider a miracle?
I think it's pointless to argue here. I am Muslim and Chutney is not. Ofcourse, I am going to believe in some different stuff than him. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
About those religios "miracles": The fact is that if you look hard enough for something, you will find it. Of the billions and billions of animals, plants and other things, the probability of finding something, like an arabic world, is small, but it's there. Don't you think this has happened before? Every once in a while you hear about someone finding Jesus' face on something, a message in a bowl of alpha-bits or some weird genetic mutation - but that doesn't prove anything but that there is a probability of these things happening.
I kind of got tired last night, but here are my replies: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Legacy:</div><div class="quote_post">It's physically possible for a 5 year old to speak 5 languages and recite the Holy Koran perfectly?</div> I think its definitely possible, although it would be an incredibly rare and unique case. There are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration. 1) Picking up Languages: Language does not necessarily require formal education. If a child is around people who speak a certain way, he will pick that up and learn to communicate with them. The majority of this development happens early on (first few years), so if he was in an environment where more than one language was spoken (common in rural areas in that region) he could very easily have picked them up. It's amazing that he did, but still possible nonetheless. 2) Rote Learning (Link): The Eastern nations (South Asia, Middle East, North Africa, etc.) tend to use the technique of repetition when it comes to teaching or conveying anything. It's ingrained within the culture to the point that a lot of students from that area have a hard time studying overseas. I mean I personally have cousins in India who, at the age of 7 or 8, could recite the timestables up to the 20's or 30's off memory, but had very little understanding of what they were saying. That's why this concept isn't held in high regard in the West. But, nevertheless, this child could very easily have been exposed to the Quran in this way and memorized it. It's hard to believe, but it brings me to my next point... 3) The Child's Intellect: Don't you find it odd that, with all this talk of miracles, there is absolutely no mention of the fact that this kid might be intellectually gifted? Maybe even at a child prodigy level. It seems that very few people tend to acknowledge that the kid may deserve some credit when there is a religious aspect involved. To be able to memorize such a large piece of literature and pick up those languages would hint at a child who is incredibly talented and gifted. Or, on the flip side, he could have a learning disability. A lot of children who have learning problems, have shown an extraordinarily high memory that can mask very low comprehension levels or numerous other problems. Those are just some of the things that popped into my mind when I read that first post, but there are so many other possible explanations. It just doesn't seem to defy any natural laws. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it's pointless to argue here. I am Muslim and Chutney is not. Ofcourse, I am going to believe in some different stuff than him. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.</div> I don't think we're that different, dude. I may not be Muslim, but I am religious and I follow a religion that is from a similar region and that has been in contact with Islam throughout history. So there are a lot of similarities there. I see the same talk of miracles in Sikhism and I think my opinion holds weight in almost all religions. I find that, too often, religious people look for some sort of natural phenomena to inspire them to continue following their path. And most of the time, it leads them to take huge leaps of faith that are not necessarily logical. Honestly, I don't see the need for it though. There is so much knowledge and truth to be found within the scriptures and teachings that are left behind. In your case, why go around searching for the word "Allah" in plants and animals, when you have all you want to know about him in the Quran? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe we really aren't considering Chutney's POV... This might help; Chutney, what do you consider a miracle?</div> I consider miracles or miraculous acts to be something that defies all natural laws and our understanding of reality (eg: Moses parting the Red Sea, Jesus returning after his death, Mohammed moving a mountain, etc.). We cannot come up with any explanation for these acts, other than it involved some higher power. The miracles that we commonly find can be explained through our knowledge of nature and reality. Too often, we mix up what is improbable (highly unlikely or incredibly rare) with what is impossible (defies our understanding). There's also the point that, just because we cannot explain something now, does not mean we won't be able to in the future (ie: people in the past used to think solar eclipses were some sort of sign or message, but centuries later, we now know the science behind it). So, my point is that true miracles are so incredibly incomprehensible and special, that we tend to diminish their significance by pointing to rare phenomena as miraculous. Just because religion is involved, does not mean its logical or justifiable to make that leap of faith (I mean, if the kid could recite the Communist Manifesto word for word, would we be justified in proclaiming Karl Marx as our new savior?).
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That reminds me (to some extent) of the Muslim born baby who had the "tail of Hanuman" (a Hindu God who sports a tail). Apperently, he also had nine spots on his body that was similar to that of Hanuman's body. People in India flocked to catch a glimpse of the boy, labeling him as a God and a saviour. What is often ignored is that being born with a "tail" (I'm not sure what it's called scientifically) actually happens to numerous people. It's still very rare, but it still does happen. However, since this happened in India, the boy was seen as a reincarnation of God. I am a Hindu (although, I am not extremely religious...a more accurate statement would be "I know about Hinduism"), and I don't really buy this at all; however, it's surprising to see that in the name of God, Hindus accepted a Muslim baby as being a reincarnation of one of thier own Gods.</div>I think it was a good example in some ways, although I'm curious, does that human "tail" have bones? It looks like it is coming out of the side of the butt cheek as opposed to the "tail bone". On a side question, do animals (monkeys, dogs, cats, etc) have bones in their tails or is it just cartilage? <div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I've recently got into this thing about Miracles of Islam & Miracles of Allah. Watched some videos, saw some pictures. They are crazy. I'll share some. ^Mosque in Indonesia after the tsunami hit. ^Beehive that says "Allah" in arabic, clearly. ^A plant similar to cactus... says "Allah" in arabic. ^says "Allah" in arabic in the sky. Chutney, what do you think about those pics man? I mean.. only the mosque is left after the tsunami ... sign of god .. miracle.. would u agree?</div>Well I'm sure you can find pictures on the internet taken by some Roman Catholics supposedly showing Virgin Mary on a piece of toast, a baking pan, or as clouds in the sky. There are probably other examples using other figures (Buddha, Guru Nanak, Krishna) or languages and sayings. <div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The kid speaks 4 languages. Lives in a country where arabic is not spoken, and speaks it fluently to get the god's message across. Not to mention he has memorized the Quran, which is LONG. Miracle or not, you decide.</div> Well I've heard that muslim parents encourage their kids to learn arabic, because they will have to pray in arabic. The Quran is encouraged to be memorized, because it is considered a great achievement to memorize the whole thing. I think people who have a special title (Qaris? Qurra?). Also I think every muslim if they can pray has at least a couple verses memorized, because I think praying involves the recitation of the Quran. Another note is that the Quran is easier to memorize than most texts that people read today because a large portion of it rhymes (I'm not sure 50%?), as well it flows poetically. Nonetheless it is still a difficult task to memorize, it is a long book.
