Does anyone think Gerald Green's stock is going to fall somewhat dramatically? I guess Portland is bragging about how good Webster is, probably just trying to pressure Green into working out for them. I dont believe what Portland is saying about Webster, I still think he is a mid first round pick. I think it's possible that he could fall to us, I have no idea what Toronto wants but i know they need a center, NY also needs a big they just got Ariza last year and the fans want to win immediatley, Utah needs a PG. Of course, this is assuming his stock falls out of the top 5, which isn't likely, but i can dream.
portland might just take paul and then trade him to charlotte for the 5th(green) and the 12th(webster)...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Map1986:</div><div class="quote_post">portland might just take paul and then trade him to charlotte for the 5th(green) and the 12th(webster)...</div> You mean Charlotte's 13th, not 12th.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone think Gerald Green's stock is going to fall somewhat dramatically? I guess Portland is bragging about how good Webster is, probably just trying to pressure Green into working out for them. I dont believe what Portland is saying about Webster, I still think he is a mid first round pick. I think it's possible that he could fall to us, I have no idea what Toronto wants but i know they need a center, NY also needs a big they just got Ariza last year and the fans want to win immediatley, Utah needs a PG. Of course, this is assuming his stock falls out of the top 5, which isn't likely, but i can dream.</div> Maybe Green could fall. He is an oustanding athlete, but I'm sure private workouts might expose some flaws in his game if he were to play shooting guard or small forward and that might scare some teams concerned with how good he really is or how well he can improve. This kid could dominate in high school, but he may find the pros a lot tougher especially being that tall and that skinny. If he's wirery strong, he might do okay. I can definitely see Green filling up the stat sheet later on with 3-pointers, free throws, steals, assists, rebounds and points because he's so long, quick and is a great leaper. He can touch the top of the backboard, I think... I know he is more athletic than Lebron when it comes to hops, maybe even more than Vince Carter. I know it's kind of presuming of me to think he'll be an automatic all-star without seeing how this guy does against real men, but he can do things very few individuals can do physically and he does it pretty fluidly like a real pro. Plus, he's flashy and that'll definitely draw towards T-mac or Vince Carter-like popularity.
Couple of things: 1) More than any other time of year, during the draft you really have to have your Crap-O-Meter on and working. Don't believe anything any GM says the month before the draft. The same goes for agents and players. While it's true that Green refused to work out against competition in Portland and Nash is understandably upset about it, that doesn't mean he's going to fall. If a GM likes a guy, he's certainly not going to pass on him just because he wouldn't workout against competition...especially when the only other guys rated that high all play a position (pg) you have filled (Telfair) and Green plays a position of need. Case in point: Charlotte drafted Baron Davis in '99 even though he refused to work out for them at all. The only difference is Davis didn't want to work out for them at all because he wanted to go to the Clippers who were drafting a spot after Charlotte. Green just didn't want to work out against competition because he wants to preserve his draft stock. Whether Portland takes Green at #3 or trades down in the draft to #5 or #6 and takes him then, I'd be shocked if he isn't in Portland on the 29th. 2) Green had his first pro work out for Charlotte on the 16th (solo of course). According to Bickerstaff, Green's athletic ability is a good as advertised and the team was impressed with his basketball skills. Here's the link. 3) According to Andy Katz, Diogu is scheduled to come in for a second workout with the Warriors some time after the 21st. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The sports agency SFX, which is acting in an advisory role for the Sun Devils' junior forward, has scheduled workouts for Diogu at Toronto, Charlotte, Sacramento, Golden State (a second one), Memphis and Boston ? all after Tuesday's deadline to withdraw from the NBA draft. The NCAA allows underclassmen who declare for the draft to have an advisor, but they can't sign with an agent.</div> Here's the link. Note where the other teams that Diogu has workouts with will be drafting: #13 Charlotte #16 Toronto #18 Boston #19 Memphis #23 Sacramento Two things strike me as very interesting. The first is that Charlotte is working him out even though they have Okafor. Diogu isn't going to play the three, especially in the east and Okafor isn't going to move to the five and send Brezec to the bench. So why work out Diogu? The second is that given the range of teams Diogu is going in to work out with that close to the draft, and that he's coming in for a second workout with the Warriors, I have to think the Warriors may have something in the works involving a trade down. I'd definitely keep an eye on teams in the 12-20 range who are working out guys projected for the mid to late lottery.
That is VERY interesting discussion, Wtwalker, especially about the trading down part. I did not know Baron Davis refused workouts by the team he was drafted by. I guess we'll know for sure what was bluffing and what wasn't in 9 days.
wtwalker has it right on Portland,they gave in and Green will now work out solo. With Frye and Granger getting love from teams ahead of the W's, Diogu and Warrick are looking to be the most probable at 9. Moving to 12,13 we might still get one of them,might not. The Lakers,right after us could take IKE to add a physical inside game. they also might go for Bynum or Vasquez.
Yeah, from what I've been reading, Granger and Frye are expected to be gone which would lead me to believe that the Dubs would choose Diogu or Warrick and even possibly Bynum or Graham. I hope its Diogu if its not Granger.
I think with Diogu a thing is that he figures to be able to play somewhere between 240-260 and lighter equals quicker. So,a team that wants him to have a secondary role could have him play lighter,a team that needs the max physical power inside would have him play at the heavy end. A similar deal exists with some others,you could put weight on Warrick or Blatche,and thn have a somewhat different player. That may,or not,be a good idea. The W's have only Foyle and Murpy who are much beyond 230,so some added beef makes sense if the mobility is still good enough.
digou is working out for the warriors this week... and i ment to post this here(sorry): <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">well more of the draft could have panned out <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Just a rumor I heard. Portland has given Martynas an indication that they would take him at 13 if he was still available. That means that there is a potential trade in the works. I heard its 5 and 13 for 3, Victor Khyrapa and Ruben Patterson. Charlotte would take Chris Paul, have a young player in Khyrapa. Portland would still probably get their player, Gerald Green, at 5 and have Martynas at 13. Lets also remember that they have a crown jewel of a player in Russia in Sergei Monya who will be coming over next year. Monya and Green could mesh very well with Telfair and Martynas, with his outside game, could eventually be around to space the floor like Sabonis used to for Portland. Its something I heard, I actually have bought into this rumor.</div> that is from alucas on realgm, he is a former scout, and it seems like it could definatley happen...</div>
Hey check this mock draft out http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/draft/mock Sean May gets selected 4th overall in the draft!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey check this mock draft out http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/draft/mock Sean May gets selected 4th overall in the draft!</div> I think the key to understanding that mock is that Matt Lawrence is their senior "fantasy" writer. Paul going before Wiliams?!? May at 4?!? Andriuskevicius at 5?!? McCants at 12?!? Taft at 15?!? Graham at 22?!? C.J. Miles at 23?!? sorta brings a whole new meaning to the term "fantasy" btw, Chad Ford is saying that after two subpar workouts, a source close to Diogu says he's is leaning towards going back to school. I don't buy it, he'll stay in if the Warriors want him to, just food for thought.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the key to understanding that mock is that Matt Lawrence is their senior "fantasy" writer. Paul going before Wiliams?!? May at 4?!? Andriuskevicius at 5?!? McCants at 12?!? Taft at 15?!? Graham at 22?!? C.J. Miles at 23?!? sorta brings a whole new meaning to the term "fantasy" btw, Chad Ford is saying that after two subpar workouts, a source close to Diogu says he's is leaning towards going back to school. I don't buy it, he'll stay in if the Warriors want him to, just food for thought.</div> I thought somebody might enjoy that link. Any details regarding what Ike Diogu did poorly on? If he's having bad workouts it probably doesn't mean a thing, but still Diogu is one of these guys you hope would at least be a Zach Randolph/Elton Brand type player. Maybe he's far from it? Anybody get that feeling that he's too safe of a pick?
May at 4... I wonder he ever bothered to look any workout reports or just freaking draft websites for that matter . Well, maybe Diogu feels that he isn't sure to be drafted in first round or not, because even if he stays in school, I don't think he will improve his stock that much. After all, his skills are never questioned, and big question marks are on his size and athlatism, which he won't improve by staying in school. Either that or he had to have a real bad workouts, because if he gets bad rap, he can really slip to the bottom of first round, and he may wants to be a lottory pick. Who knows? With 19 years age limits, his draft position is bounded to improve anyway ...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">May at 4... I wonder he ever bothered to look any workout reports or just freaking draft websites for that matter . Well, maybe Diogu feels that he isn't sure to be drafted in first round or not, because even if he stays in school, I don't think he will improve his stock that much. After all, his skills are never questioned, and big question marks are on his size and athlatism, which he won't improve by staying in school. Either that or he had to have a real bad workouts, because if he gets bad rap, he can really slip to the bottom of first round, and he may wants to be a lottory pick. Who knows? With 19 years age limits, his draft position is bounded to improve anyway ...</div> Well, it's definitely "original" to coin it in a nicer way. Maybe the mock draft writer either thinks that highly of May or he doesn't think that highly of the Hornets, like they're going to do something dumb again. Who knows. I'm sure we've had our own share of stupid mock drafts of us picking stupid picks at high draft positions just as many times as we've actually picked stupid picks at high draft positions. Watching Diogu it's really not all that exciting, but hey if he gets the job done, rebounds, blocks shots, scores inside and gets to the line, it's all right I guess. He's an intense player, but I didn't think he was that explosive. He's a very fluid, fundamentally sound player with a great bball IQ, though. His floor is still pretty high, his ceiling I'm not sure.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Any details regarding what Ike Diogu did poorly on? If he's having bad workouts it probably doesn't mean a thing, but still Diogu is one of these guys you hope would at least be a Zach Randolph/Elton Brand type player. Maybe he's far from it? Anybody get that feeling that he's too safe of a pick?</div> I've read so much lately that it's all starting to wash together, but I remember reading that Diogu's workout was against Bynum and that Bynum held his own. As far as I remember, that's all that was said about the workout. I agree that a bad workout doesn't really mean anything. I've never been a big fan of individual workouts anyway, I think the best way to evaluate a guy is in person (i.e. not watching tape) at a game during the season. I think Diogu will be a Brand/Randolph type of player, I just don't think he'll be as good. Basically I see him being a very good role player off the bench in a power rotation with Biedrins and Murphy, but I don't ever see him sending one of those two to the bench (once Biedrins develops into a starter that is).
Whoops, I just read that it was Petro that had the impressive workout against Diogu in Phoenix, not Bynum. Nevertheless, all three are staying in the draft, so it's a moo point...you know, a cow's opinion...it just don't matter...(gotta love friends).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoops, I just read that it was Petro that had the impressive workout against Diogu in Phoenix, not Bynum. Nevertheless, all three are staying in the draft, so it's a moo point...you know, a cow's opinion...it just don't matter...(gotta love friends).</div> Hey Walker, any news on the Warriors working out or at least scouting out Fran Vasquez? I like friends too.
What I'd heard was Ike looked real good in the Ike-Petro workout,Petro didn't suck,as Taft did vs Ike. There was no hint that Petro was more impressive or had the upper hand. Bynum is a real wild card in this draft, Overall he is less polished than Blatche but is even bigger than Petro-and perhaps a bit closer to NBA minutes. I have yet to hear of him having a workout with Ike,so far Bynums workouts have not been the 2 on 2 type,have been individual showcase type. I'd be stunned to see Martynas higher than 20. at 20 it's a bad pick,a 13 it could be bad enough to cost someone a job. That I Diogu IS explosive is why I always gave him an edge on options like Simien. He's not the sort who gets a breakaway uncontested slam,but has explosiveness in traffic,good quick power move,that.and his defense/boards are why if we were to pass I think LA would take him at 10.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">What I'd heard was Ike looked real good in the Ike-Petro workout,Petro didn't suck,as Taft did vs Ike. There was no hint that Petro was more impressive or had the upper hand.</div> This is the quote from Ford's blog: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">? French big man Johan Petro is definitely keeping his name in, according to agent Sam Goldfeder. Petro has already worked out twice for the Lakers and had an impressive workout in Phoenix on Sunday against Ike Diogu.</div> It doesn't say either had the upper hand, just that Petro was impressive. Also from an earlier blog that Ford has since revised, he said Diogu had two tough workouts in Phoenix and it was based on those that he was thinking about pulling out of the draft. And to answer your question Custodian, Vazquez has said that he's only holding an open workout in NY for any GM that wants to attend and he's not going to be doing any individual workouts. I don't know for sure if the Warriors will have someone in NY, but I'd certainly assume they would.
