<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Wade even when Shaq was out was shooting over 45-50% and did so during his rookie season. His style of play is so tough to defend. He is so quick with the first step and has great body control, knows how to get to the line and finish. He is a natural scorer and a guy who can basically do It all. He is only going to get better and the way he has done against the Pistons defense compared to what Kobe did last year has been amazing. Or maybe Wade is just a much smarter player than Kobe Is. I never thought It would be possible to think Wade was as good or better than Kobe heading into this season but now I'm starting to think he may well be. Even Bruce Bowen has alot of trouble guarding Wade. As Artest did last year. If those two can't guard him, why else has a shot at doing so?</div> Um AllNet... Easy answer: Tayshaun Prince. Anyways, 1on1 wise, I think it is harder to hard Wade than Kobe. This is not just my opinion, but even Tayshaun Prince (who arguably shut Kobe down last year in the playoffs) said so. Last year Kobe was guarded 1on1 by Tayshaun because they had to double on Shaq. This year, same story, Wade had to be guarded by Tayshaun alone because Shaq's there. Even then, Prince still said Wade is tougher to guard. And who are we to argue with Tayshaun that Wade is harder to guard than Kobe?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Wade even when Shaq was out was shooting over 45-50% and did so during his rookie season. His style of play is so tough to defend. He is so quick with the first step and has great body control, knows how to get to the line and finish. He is a natural scorer and a guy who can basically do It all. He is only going to get better and the way he has done against the Pistons defense compared to what Kobe did last year has been amazing. Or maybe Wade is just a much smarter player than Kobe Is. I never thought It would be possible to think Wade was as good or better than Kobe heading into this season but now I'm starting to think he may well be. Even Bruce Bowen has alot of trouble guarding Wade. As Artest did last year. If those two can't guard him, why else has a shot at doing so?</div> Yup, the high percentage thing isn't new to him. Last season he shot 47% for the year. This year when Shaq was out he shot 55% in those games, and in the playoffs against the Wizards while Shaq was out he also shot +50%. Add Ron Artset not being able to guard him in the playoffs last year, and him doing this well against the Pistons defense, and I'd say he's one pretty unstopabble guy.
the way I see things The way I see it LBJ has to be harder to guard than Wade. Proof: Only one team in the NBA held LBJ below 20.5 ppg and that was Houston and he missed most of one of the two games against them with injury. 4 teams held Kobe under 20.5 ppg and 4 held Wade under 20.5. This shows that the two of them can at least be contained as apposed to James. Also the effect in these under 20.5 games wasn't one dimensional. Wade's rpg and apg also fell and it was the same with bryant.
Some of you guys totally underrate Wade and don't realize how good he is. 1) Kobe 2) Lebron 3) WADE 4) T-Mac 5) Iverson I can't believe some of you rated Ray Allen over him. You can cherry pick every aspect of the game such as Ray being superior in shooting but when it comes to dominating and making a difference, he's way better than Ray and others I ranked lower.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you guys totally underrate Wade and don't realize how good he is. 1) Kobe 2) Lebron 3) WADE 4) T-Mac 5) Iverson I can't believe some of you rated Ray Allen over him. You can cherry pick every aspect of the game such as Ray being superior in shooting but when it comes to dominating and making a difference, he's way better than Ray and others I ranked lower.</div> I think that's ridiculous. How can you rank Wade over Iverson which is arguably the best guard since Michael Jordan. How can 9 years of work and still running (MVP, Finals appearance, All NBA Team, 7 All-Star appearances, Scoring Champion etc) be ranked below two years of work (1 All-Star appearance). McGrady on the other hand is a different story primarily because he still can't get out of the first round, but at the same time I don't think he should be ranked below Wade. Lastly, why isn?t Jason Kidd getting any love? Those four guards (Kobe, A.I, T-Mac, Kidd) should be in no way ranked below the likes of two year wonders such as LeBron and Wade. I?m not taking anything away from them but they have a lot more to prove before they can ranked above that elite group of players. I swear if Bogut would happen to average 18 and 10 and lead the Bucks to the Playoffs and some would rank him in the same class as Garnett, Duncan or Dirk I'll go mad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that's ridiculous. How can you rank Wade over Iverson which is arguably the best guard since Michael Jordan. How can 9 years of work and still running (MVP, Finals appearance, All NBA Team, 7 All-Star appearances, Scoring Champion etc) be ranked below two years of work (1 All-Star appearance). McGrady on the other hand is a different story primarily because he still can't get out of the first round, but at the same time I don't think he should be ranked below Wade. Lastly, why isn?t Jason Kidd getting any love? Those four guards (Kobe, A.I, T-Mac, Kidd) should be in no way ranked below the likes of two year wonders such as LeBron and Wade. I?m not taking anything away from them but they have a lot more to prove before they can ranked above that elite group of players. </div> So since those players have been in the league longer, it demands more respect and a higher rank for them? That's ridiculous. Yes, Wade and Lebron may have a whole gap of things to prove, but they're just odd sophomores that are light years ahead of a typical sophomore, and I personally think they're already better than the established, older stars. Despite Lebron not being able to prove himself in the playoffs, Wade has already had major success in the playoffs and is almost single-handedly leading the Heat to the championship which T-Mac, AI etc. have fallen short of even with more seasons under their belts. Speaking of Kidd, I think this is about shooting guards, not point guards.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">So since those players have been in the league longer, it demands more respect and a higher rank for them? That's ridiculous. Yes, Wade and Lebron may have a whole gap of things to prove, but they're just odd sophomores that are light years ahead of a typical sophomore, and I personally think they're already better than the established, older stars.</div> Yes, because they have yet to really prove themselves. That basically my whole point [bold], Wade and LeBron has only been playing for two years, just two. And like you said they have a whole gap of things to prove. And while majority predicts that LeBron for example will become the face of the NBA, you never know he may never make the Playoffs until he reaches his 5-6th year. And of all a sudden those talks and comparisons to Kobe and potentially being one thee best of All-Time may go down a volume or so. You don't know what the future holds, and comparing two seasons of work to nine seasons of works when you have players which averaged 30+ points in multiple seasons, winning championships and over 20 All-Star appearances combined is by far better than what Wade and LeBron has done overall. They're immediate impact and sensational seasons cannot go unrecognized however but at the same time I just don't see how two seasons of work should be ranked over nine years proven years of work. Another situation that?s similar is the talks of Amare Stoudemire. He had one good or more like brilliant Playoff performance (remember just one brilliant Playoff) and people are ranking him with Duncan(2X Champion) and Garnett(MVP). Now if that is not shame than I don't know what it is. This is very similar to the guards with the whole Wade and LeBron fiasco. Comparing them or even ranking them above a 3X Champion, a former MVP which has gotten even better and the best PG in game doesn?t make that much sense to me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Despite Lebron not being able to prove himself in the playoffs, Wade has already had major success in the playoffs and is almost single-handedly leading the Heat to the championship which T-Mac, AI etc. have fallen short of even with more seasons under their belts. Speaking of Kidd, I think this is about shooting guards, not point guards.</div> Okay, Wade has or shall I say IS proving himself, but what has he's done that we haven't seen from Kidd, AI or Kobe? Kobe won three rings, Iverson and Kidd on the other hand lead they're team to the Finals just what Wade is doing right now, so as far as that goes you cancel that out, but then again it?s not even a guarantee that the Heat will even make the NBA Finals. But I?ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that they do make the Finals and you can cancel that out with what the other guards has done, than that raises the question. What else does Wade has under his belt that can be compared with what the other guards has done? Nothing. So when you take that into account, Wade has yet to accomplish any other feats that can give him a better argument on why he should be ranked with the likes of Iverson, Kidd and Kobe. There would be a difference if those guys were on the decline of they?re careers and they aren?t doing as much as they used to, but the fact is that these guys are still running, gunning and achieving till this day. So in order for Wade to catch up with them he would need to pile up countless awards, amazing statistics and most importantly win. Again, I?m not taking away anything from him because he?s doing everything mentioned above but the established stars are still doing they?re thing at the same time and has more than just two successful seasons. While on the flipside Wade has so much more to accomplish before he can cancel out what Kobe, Kidd and AI has done. Lastly, I think this discussion may be about guards in general from my knowledge. I'm not too sure though, but then again the title does reads "Wade vs every other guard".
