<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I just dont think people give Yao his due simply because they expect him to be a certain player and play a certain style...</div> THey expect him to live up to all the hype which was created in 01 or whenever he was drafted. People say that he is this magnificent force but in reality hes one of those guys ho wont live up to their potential because he doesn't use his strengths to his advantage. He gets pounded night in and nigh out by guys like Amare and Duncan who aren't even natural centers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">he IS quite mobile, smooth and there is a fluidity about the way he plays...which is why I mentioned that he is a FINESSE player</div> He is the most awkward finess player I've ever seen. He has a very strange running gait, and his plays are not usually due to skill, just due to his height. He doesn't have to jump to dunk lol. Amare is a finess player, Yao isn't. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">..Dirk is a FORWARD...not a CENTER...so he is a wing player, not a post...I said Yao was (arguably) one of the most skilled players at his position, which is without a true doubt...he has excellent footwork, shooting touch and sets solid screens (a lost art among NBA post players)...</div> Dirk played as a center for the past 3 years at least and he covered opposing centers. He is 7 feet tall, you said Yao was the most skilled big man in most recent years. Dirk is a big man, and he is much more skilled than Yao. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I just dont think people give Yao his due simply because they expect him to be a certain player and play a certain style...</div> He is expected to be able to post up players that are usually 5 to 8 inches shorter than him. Tim Duncan is 6'11, if he was ever guarded by someone 8 inches shorter than him(6'3) and he couldn't take advantage of that player in the post it would be considered pathetic. Well when Rocket fans, and other people say Yao is the best passing center, the 2nd best big man in the league and that he is the most skilled big man in the nba in most recent years. That he is mobile, agile, intelligent, and has excellent footwork. I think those comments alone make me think that Yao Ming is overrated.
I don't find Vince overrated, but when you tend to be an amazing dunker like he is you'll immediately be labelled overrated..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker31:</div><div class="quote_post">THey expect him to live up to all the hype which was created in 01 or whenever he was drafted. People say that he is this magnificent force but in reality hes one of those guys ho wont live up to their potential because he doesn't use his strengths to his advantage. He gets pounded night in and nigh out by guys like Amare and Duncan who aren't even natural centers.</div> Wanna bet on that? If you lose you can kiss a donkeys butt.
Bet on what that he gets manhandled by guys like Amare and Duncan. Ill take that bet anyday. HE'S SOFT!!!!!!!! Get it through your head. He not nearly as good as you make him sound.
Im not gonna say yao sux, but he is definetly under achieving. Even he does ever become dominant, im not gonna like him or like to watch him, because the only reason he survives in this league is cuz hes so tall. It has nothing to do with his talent. If he was 5-6 inches shorter he wouldnt even be in this league. As for VC being over rated, you cant even argue that after this season. But SI's always hated vince and prolly just wanted more publicity. They prolly fixed the survey or only asked VC haters or retards the question. And these "pro ballers" are probly some scrubs from euroleagues who know jack all about the NBA.
I doubt that Yao wouldn't be in this league if he was 5 or 6 inches shorter. He'd still be a seven footer with decent footwork and size. He might even be a better rebounder cause his mobility increases. Yao's overrated tag stems from all the comparisons he had to Hakeem and even Jabbar. He's no where close. Probably will never be. He doesn't have the athleticism or will. He can acquire aggressiveness, but he'll need to play like his mother was murdered to even come close to those guys. I remember Houston was touting him to be the next in line to succeed former great Houston Centers, Moses Malone and Hakeem. I laughed and scoffed at the claim cause Yao just doesn't have it. He's a great guy and role model in terms of personality in the NBA, but overall I just do not think he'll be any greater than Brad Daughtery or Rik Smits. Which is not bad at all, the both of them were decent centers with skills that helped out their respective teams.
after this comin year he wont be the most overrated player.... I think carter will reach his prime this coming year, and avg bout 28ppg and 6rpg 5apg, cuz he will get use 2 jkidd now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post"> As for VC being over rated, you cant even argue that after this season. But SI's always hated vince and prolly just wanted more publicity. They prolly fixed the survey or only asked VC haters or retards the question. And these "pro ballers" are probly some scrubs from euroleagues who know jack all about the NBA.</div> lol...i agree...besides,i thnk they did b4 the start of the season...
I did'nt read all the posts before me but i will say this: Vince Carter brought NJ to the Playoffs by himself,he brought a Euroleague team to the Playoffs!! J-Kidd had a though season and he was'nt a serious factor - B.Knight had a better season. i used to think that Carter was overrated before he got traded but now i think that the injuries has slowed him down but he could have been better then Bryant - hell i don't see Bryant's team with a record nearly as good as the Nets had with Carter maybe it says something?? nor Marbuary nor Francis nor Bryant nor Baron Davis nor Brand and Megette brought their team to a 50% winning record and they all had a better team around them so who is overrated now?? just something to think about...
By himself? Jason Kidd averaged 14.4 points per game, 7.4 rebounds per game, 8.3 assists per game in 66 games. I think that is a lot of help.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">By himself? Jason Kidd averaged 14.4 points per game, 7.4 rebounds per game, 8.3 assists per game in 66 games. I think that is a lot of help.</div> Yea but still you gotta agree that what we seen this year from Jason was not even one of the 5 best PG in the league. Jasonm was pretty good but did'nt contribute as much as he does every year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea but still you gotta agree that what we seen this year from Jason was not even one of the 5 best PG in the league. Jasonm was pretty good but did'nt contribute as much as he does every year.</div> Although I believe Carter was probably the biggest reason for NJ's sucess, Kidd had a huge part in it to. Just ask VC himself, he'll give all the credit to Kidd. About Kidd being a top 5 PG in the league, I would probably put him #3 this year behind Nash and AI.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post"> nor Marbuary nor Francis nor Bryant nor Baron Davis nor Brand and Megette brought their team to a 50% winning record and they all had a better team around them so who is overrated now?? just something to think about...</div> All of the people you named are from the West except for two. It's MUCH harder to win in the West.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">All of the people you named are from the West except for two. It's MUCH harder to win in the West.</div> Why? all the the teams compete with each other at the end of the day,i was talking about making it to the playoffs and not winning IN the playoffs. And in my opinion Kidd was Behind: Nash, Iverson ,Steve Francis,Stephon Marbury,Gilbert Arenas and maybe even Brevin Knight.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post">Why? all the the teams compete with each other at the end of the day,i was talking about making it to the playoffs and not winning IN the playoffs. And in my opinion Kidd was Behind: Nash, Iverson ,Steve Francis,Stephon Marbury,Gilbert Arenas and maybe even Brevin Knight.</div> I can understand you saying Gilbert Arenas, but Marbury, Francis and Knight?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post">Why? And in my opinion Kidd was Behind: Nash, Iverson ,Steve Francis,Stephon Marbury,Gilbert Arenas and maybe even Brevin Knight.</div> I say he was behind Nash, and Iverson. How could you even mention Knight with these guys. Marbury no and neither was Arenas. Francis, I don't think so.
I'd put Kidd as #1, his passing numbers are down because he had only 1 real option on offense, and Nenad Kristic as the other option. Still putting up 8.3 assists with those circumstances is nice. He lead the league in triple doubles, and he was on the All-Defensive team, still the overall best PG in the NBA. Iverson is currently better as a player, but not as a PG.
If you think Jason Kidd had a minimal affect on the Nets winning, you must be blind. Carter was phenomenol, and I'm sure Jason Kidd had every thing to do with it. Kidd is a leader, on and off the court. I'm sure when Vince got there Jason spoke to him and it only remotivated Carter to play well. I doubt Carter got it all by himself. Jason led the league in triple doubles. Could've had more but came either a rebound or assist away a lot of times. Not only that, he wins games. He's always been a winner, unlike Carter, and he knows how to get his teams wins. To say he had no bearing in the decsion of games, is crazy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">I can understand you saying Gilbert Arenas, but Marbury, Francis and Knight? </div> Oh yea? why was Marbury no better then Kidd??? he was efficiant on the court more then kidd and he can shoot the ball better then him. And why did'nt Francis had a better season then Kidd? As to Knight i said MAYBE!! he had like 9 assists per game and he gave great D, because he played like such a true PG for more time then Kidd on this season i named him there. Anyway this was not really my point,my point was that Carter has done about 70% of the job - he done almost everything when it comes to scoring,Kidd is one of my Favorite players but he did'nt have such a great season and when your team needs to score 90 points in order to have a chance to win i don't think that anyone trusted Kidd to be a part of scoring in good %. Kidd might have been a nice help for Carter but at the end of the day it comes to who is putting the ball in the hole and without Carter they would'nt be in the playoffs and that what makes him not overrated at all.
