If you want to bring up injures then Rip played all series through a bad injury, Ben has bone spurs in his foot which will likely need surgery in the off-season. All factor in. The team who is the most healthly ball club normally are contending for the title. When you base your team around a TEAM, staying injury free is much easier. Something Pistons managed to do enough of.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MajorP&M:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe = 3 rings Wade = 0 </div> hardly an accurate comparison there, no way can you judge it on that. And why cant i say that he will dwarf Kobe again? its my opinion so i can state it. I can back it up to so its not like i'm saying Orange is better than Apple. Pistons won, congrats, but arice89 started in with the BS so i responded. And i'm not even a heat fan so its not like i'm biased.
dick <div class="quote_poster">Quoting arice89:</div><div class="quote_post"> Billups said it all. (Read the sig). Nice job wade, practice flopping some more during the off season. Nice job 'Zo, practice flexing and screaming during the off season. Nice job Shaq, have a good time and McDonalds over the off season. Nice job Steve Smith, have a good time on waivers next season. Good series heat, now we can take on an even better team. It will be a good one.</div> You're a dick man screw u.. heat'll win it next year u'll c they did a dam good job considering the team has only played2gether 4 one year! the pistons have been 2gether 4eva! u wait without injuries n more experience HEAT will **** on detroit next yr. P.S where kobe now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">hardly an accurate comparison there, no way can you judge it on that. And why cant i say that he will dwarf Kobe again? its my opinion so i can state it. I can back it up to so its not like i'm saying Orange is better than Apple. Pistons won, congrats, but arice89 started in with the BS so i responded. And i'm not even a heat fan so its not like i'm biased.</div> really... all you're doing is ripping the Pistons so Heat fan or not, i doubt you're not biased. I definitely am, and in my honest opinion, i can't fathom how anybody can dream up a scenario where Wade 'dwarfs' KB.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MajorP&M:</div><div class="quote_post">really... all you're doing is ripping the Pistons so Heat fan or not, i doubt you're not biased. I definitely am, and in my honest opinion, i can't fathom how anybody can dream up a scenario where Wade 'dwarfs' KB.</div> why not? Kobe isnt Jordan you know...he's not the measuring stick to compare all players to. Wade isnt far off Kobe's overall abilities now if he is at all. His biggest weakness compared to Kobe is that he's a few inches shorter, though i feel he's every bit as good on the boards. He's also about an equal passer as Kobe and improving defensively. He's more efficient than Kobe with his shots, taking a few less bad shots maybe. Overall i dont know who's better...but whoever is they're certainly fair competition for eachother. And then to consider that wade is only 22 years old is amazing.....he's got 4 years till he's kobe's age which could/should be all up hill improvement. Kobe is very skilled, though not my favorite player on account of his attitude, but he's amazing none the less. Wade *could* be better though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MajorP&M:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe = 3 rings Wade = 0 i've seen one too many shots taken at Kobe, and it's really getting ridiculous now. Wade may end up having a better career than KB, though i doubt it, but don't post stuff about how Wade will 'dwarf' him. Both players have been hyped enough, so settle down.</div> Wade has only been in the league for 2 years so calm down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post"> Wade vs Kobe, who knows really. All i can say is who did better in a Detroit series? answer...not kobe.</div> I know. Kobe is MUCH better than Wade at this point. Wade is good. Kobe is GREAT. Wade has potential, Kobe has 3 rings. Wade could be the best guard in the league, Kobe already is. Wade to me, is the best young player in the league behind Amare, and above Lebron (yeah I said it). But niether are on Kobe's level. Don't believe me, check the stats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">I know. Kobe is MUCH better than Wade at this point. Wade is good. Kobe is GREAT. Wade has potential, Kobe has 3 rings. Wade could be the best guard in the league, Kobe already is. Wade to me, is the best young player in the league behind Amare, and above Lebron (yeah I said it). But niether are on Kobe's level. Don't believe me, check the stats.</div> wow! Kobe is great!yea right. it's not like he aint good it's just that he really screwed up this season...and whether or not he 'll do better the next one stil lremains to be seen...and Kobe is the best guard? i dont thnk so...There's Nash,AI,Kidd,etc...oh wait,maybe u mean SG? Well,Tmac could be just as good... on topic: props to detroit but i cant still put behind me the watifs...you know...wat if wade wasnt hurt? wat if haslem didn't choke(game 7) wat if shaq was healthy?etc......but oh well,like shaq said it's just the first yr that theyve been together....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">who's crying about injuries. this clown was braggin about beating the Heat, though the injuries deserved a mention. playoffs or not they impacted and should be brought up...i'd do the same if detroit lost becaue ben wallace and billups were injured, just stating facts. Detroit won, fair and square, but people need to get off of kobe's sack. Wade is terrific player and when you consider his age...no reason this kid wont dwarf Kobe. And i dont see why laker fans would rub it in to Shaq...sure he didnt win a title, but he did a hell of alot better than the lakers did this year. And he did a hell of alot better vs a improved from last year pistons team than he managed with kobe. If some people take joy out of Shaq's failure, i'm sure he'll think long and hard about it while he's banging his hot wife, sleeping on a pile of money and mulling over his entirely successful career. The most dominant player in the nba, kobe cant say that now can he. Wade vs Kobe, who knows really. All i can say is who did better in a Detroit series? answer...not kobe.</div> Ah yes, Shaq did have the better season by far, but he was expected to. The Lakers were a mess without Shaq, but the trade was a short term solution for Miami and a long term solution for the Lakers. In the short term, Shaq promised a title with Miami and would carry the team on his shoulders. He failed, and now the Heat have a dilemma on their hands, whether to extend Shaq for another 3 years at $100Million. 02Civic, the Shaq situation is similar to how fans from the Toronto Raptors turned on Vince Carter after he was traded. After Carter was traded he admitted he didn't give 100%. Same goes for Shaq, not until he was traded did he get into shape in the off-season and give 100% to the Heat. The Lakers still have a lot of work to do with their situation, but Shaq not winning a title, despite the reasons, if a minor victory for Laker fans. As for Dwayne Wade 'dwarfing' Kobe, it's far too, early to make those assumptions. Dwayne Wade is great and I've always been a fan of his. Keep in mind DWade didn't come into the league straight out of high school, he played until he was a Junior at Marquette. Dwayne Wade has a long ways to go before he is even on Kobe's level, let alone dwarf him.
Wade 20ft shot with under a minute left said it all. That's the importance of being experienced in such a pressure situation. The Pistons kept they're poise and showed why they're the champs and at the end they prevailed. So congrats to the Pistons. They earned it. And also, I'd like to give tons of credit to Wade. From the get-go you could tell he was in no shape or form ready to play. Defenders were blowing by him like it was nothing, he didn't have that hop in his step and his explosivness wasn't quite there. But despite that ailing rib he came through when they needed him and he just basically gave it his all. Next time things may turn out different for Wade, nevertheless he should not be dissapointed at all. Every year he's gotten closer to the NBA title, who knows what's on the horizon for him. Not to mention, I know this probably came up before on countless occastions, but does Dooling know what the term "pass the ball" means?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting legendisdope:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but he wont go as far as a championship, like Kobe and Shaq did. D Wade is no where on Kobes level, D Wade isnt a really good clutch shooter, and he isnt a good 3 point shooter..hes not even a really good mid range shooter. Hes the guy that goes to the rim and gets alot of calls and hit mid range jumpers here and dere. Kobe is way above Wade, he can shoot 3s, go to the rim, shoot the midrange jumpers, and hit clutch shots, ect..Wade isnt the fourth quarter player like Kobe is. Wade and Shaq wont get a ring, Shaq will retire with only those 3 rings. Anyway, Spurs in 6.</div> Blind hate. Wade isn't a good clutch shooter? Tell that to Utah, New Orleans, LA, New York, and others who have been burned by Wade in the clutch in only 2 years. Yeah, he doesn't have a good 3 PT shot (yet), but he has mastered the step back mid range jumper. As far as Wade and Shaq never getting a ring, that still remains to be seen.
NOOOO Miami lost! This sucks ass, I thought Miami was gonna go on to win the entire thing. *sniff* Oh well. Now i dont know which team to cheer for because (no offense to the fans but) I hate both.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">I know. Kobe is MUCH better than Wade at this point. Wade is good. Kobe is GREAT. Wade has potential, Kobe has 3 rings. Wade could be the best guard in the league, Kobe already is. Wade to me, is the best young player in the league behind Amare, and above Lebron (yeah I said it). But niether are on Kobe's level. Don't believe me, check the stats.</div> ok....i dont believe you that Kobe is THAT much better than Wade so i'm doing as you suggested and checking the stats. One question though.....where does it say Kobe is better than Wade? MPG FG% 3P% FT% RBS APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG kobe....40.....43%....33.9%..86%..5.9...6.....1.3.....0.8...4.09....2.6....27.6 wade...38.6...47.8%.28.9%..76.3..5.2...6.8...1.57..1.06..4.17.....3......24.1 I mean i fail to see your point. I mean Kobe wins in some stats but Wade in others. I'd like to point out that Wade's FG% probably would be around 45% if not for shaq taking pressure off of him, but still thats better than kobe and not bad overall. His 3's are a bit weaker but its something to improve on, all players have weaknesses when they're coming in the league. Everything else looks pretty even down the line. Wade is an underrated defensive player and although he has high turnovers, so does Kobe so we cant seperate them on that. Points are higher for Kobe but thats the difference between being on the 3-4 best team in the league and being on the 10th worst. I'll admit Kobe is better right now, but not far away, not far at all. Clutch, wade is plenty clutch, so i dont know where thats coming from. You want clutch bypass Kobe and pick up Horry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd like to point out that Wade's FG% probably would be around 45% if not for shaq taking pressure off of him, but still thats better than kobe and not bad overall.</div> Last season he shot 46.8%, when Shaq was out this season he shot above 50%, and against the Wizards without Shaq he also shot +50%. Shaq helps, but I think 45% is a little low, he'd definately be over 46%, and likely in the 47-50% range.
fg% I would just like to point out that FG percentage when comparing Kobe and Wade can be very misleading. Kobe takes many more outside shots while Wade drives more and takes closer shots. I would also like to say that people using Wade's performances without shaq should go the other way also. Look back when Kobe was with shaq. Remember that amazing 40 point streak Kobe had while shaq was out? Kobe also elevated his game while shaq is out but no one can be expected to play that much better for the entire season. Does anybody want to say that Wade would put up those stats over a whole season without shaq? Another note: Kobe is also a much more clutch player and a much better defender than Dwayne at this point so don't even start this argument.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Hah comparing a veteran with 3 rings and a sophomore never makes sense.</div> Oh, just take the loss and stop please. Just face it.
Face it? Ok, i think this guy has a point. Everyone please try to face the fact that D. Wade isnt far off from someone that is widely thought of has the best in the league at his position....and we're talking about 2nd year Wade. Yes i guess that is funny...but whats your point? More bragging. Ok. Thanks for coming out. Kobe is a tremendous player and athlete, and i give him all the respect he deserves in that department. However, it is my belief that he is an over rated defender and that i feel Wade isnt on another planet compared to him defensively. Wade's a bit quicker on his feet and more capable of gaurding the small 2's, but Kobe is better defending the bigs and the SF's in the league because of his extra height, but i dont think they're far off in overall defensive skill. The numbers dont say Kobe's better, though i realize its not all in the numbers when you come to defensive skill. I dont agree though that Kobe is much much better at that. Clutch? At this point you might be right, but its hard to tell really. How can you judge clutchness when Wade has had 2 seasons to burn the image of clutch into your mind and Kobe has had many many more big games that he can be clutch in. Kobe was just starting to get the big clutch label till 2000-01 so its not unlikely that Wade's will grow on him too. That said, i think Wade is plenty clutch. He's broken alot of backs, made alot of big shots and owned tons of fourth quarters just like Kobe does. I cant think of to many big shots he's had and blown really, so i dont know what to tell you. Kobe is a great player that was real good at the age of 22. Wade is a real good player boarding on great at the age of 22. Its not impossible and infact unfair for you to say Wade cant catch and surpass Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a tremendous player and athlete, and i give him all the respect he deserves in that department. However, it is my belief that he is an over rated defender and that i feel Wade isnt on another planet compared to him defensively. Wade's a bit quicker on his feet and more capable of gaurding the small 2's, but Kobe is better defending the bigs and the SF's in the league because of his extra height, but i dont think they're far off in overall defensive skill. The numbers dont say Kobe's better, though i realize its not all in the numbers when you come to defensive skill. I dont agree though that Kobe is much much better at that. Clutch? At this point you might be right, but its hard to tell really. How can you judge clutchness when Wade has had 2 seasons to burn the image of clutch into your mind and Kobe has had many many more big games that he can be clutch in. Kobe was just starting to get the big clutch label till 2000-01 so its not unlikely that Wade's will grow on him too. That said, i think Wade is plenty clutch. He's broken alot of backs, made alot of big shots and owned tons of fourth quarters just like Kobe does. I cant think of to many big shots he's had and blown really, so i dont know what to tell you.</div> What do you mean when you say Kobe ?is over rated defender and that i feel Wade isnt on another planet compared to him defensively? and than saying ?but i dont think they're far off in overall defensive skill?? Kobe?s overall experiences in the clutch being in the league for the past 9 years, makes him better and more reliable simply because he?s done it more. Wade is pretty clutch especially considering his age, but I think if anyone calls him clutch on the level of a 9 year veteran is mistaken.
well first congratulations to Detroit Pistons i really tought before the series began that they could beat the Miami Pistons, i don't want to into your discussions but well i think that Detroit is better team than miami heat , i don't like shaq , wade is a great player, Kobe is excellent player with a great potential, Spurs i think is going to win another championship !!! bye
