I am not a Celtica fan, however i was just looking at team payrolls and Celtics are one of the team that would be able to afford ray allen. Does anyone havce any news about the Celtics wanting to sign a star play this offseason? Because they do have a lot of cap space left. This situation is very interesting to me.
All the Celtics have is the MLE, they have no cap space. The ony way they will have cap room is If they trade Pierce for the 3rd pick like It has been rumoured.
If Ainge pulls the trigger on the Pierce for NVE/3rd pick trade, then we'll have about 11 million to spend on a FA. We could then go after either Redd or Allen. Of the two, I think I'd rather have Redd. Not because I think he's better, but because he'd be cheaper, and IMO, a better fit for the team. We could also go after two midrange FAs, such as Chandler or Dalembert. It all depends on what Dannyboy is looking for.
^^That trade rumor is just that, a RUMOR. It won't happen. It would put the Celtics right back into rebuilding mode and you don't do that when you've just increased ticket prices again.
Alright, hags. Let's not rebuild. Let's continue to be mediocre and watch Pierce sulk it all up. I really love losing in the first round. I hope we can make it an annual thing. But seriously, why would we even be 'rebuilding' if we made the trade? We'd upgrade one position and replace Pierce with a player that's just as good, talentwise, and better for the team.
agree I agree with 44 here, I think this would be a great deal, being able to get a great young player via the draft and another 1 in free agency.
Are we talking about the same trade rumor? If you're ready to call the potential 3rd pick in the draft as good a Pierce, then I'm simply speechless. Mentioning Chandler as an upgrade to what we have is even more confounding. We've already got one waste of bum life in Blount, why add another? You don't trade players of Pierce's caliber for a draft pick. The premise of getting Redd, Allen or anyone else not on Portlands roster is a factor independent of this trade rumor and therefore shouldn't be relevant to the proposition. If you can't secure any big name free agents, then you're screwed, because 'Toine can't become the face of the franchise again. If you don't resign 'Toine, then there's no Paul and no 'Toine and potentially no other star either. That leaves the franchise in Ricky Davis' hand, along with a roster full of players who are predominantly even younger than him. That pretty much guarantees rebuilding. You trade to get better, not just to make a deal. This isn't getting better. It might be for the future (2-3 years in the future, most likely) but it potentially kills the present and the owners aren't going to stand for that and frankly, neither are the fans. IMO, most fans will jump at any rumor that presents themselves and find a way to convince themselves that it's better than what we have. All of that without so much as letting the FA market or the draft play themselves out. It makes no sense to me, but hey, whatever makes folks happy.
The C's are not championship contenders yet, and their main guns aren't getting any younger, so unless you accept mediocrity and 1st or 2nd round exits, I don't see why Danny shouldn't start 'reloading' his roster and get rid of his ticket players such as Pierce. You have a great young core, and if you can grab a FA such as Redd or Joe Johnson (I Don't think he'll come back), I can see them contending for the EC in the next few years. Besides, I really don't think Paul Pierce's value could ever get any higher than what it is right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Are we talking about the same trade rumor? If you're ready to call the potential 3rd pick in the draft as good a Pierce, then I'm simply speechless. Mentioning Chandler as an upgrade to what we have is even more confounding. We've already got one waste of bum life in Blount, why add another?</div> No, right off the bat, the 3rd pick in the draft will most likely not be able to make the same contributions as Pierce, but definitely in the future; and maybe even better. Paul Pierce is almost 28 and isn?t going to get better. The 3rd pick in the draft has time on his side and every year while he?s getting better, Paul Pierce will be declining along with his trade value. Why not get rid of him now? I don?t see his stock rising any more. Hasn?t he also been a headcase for Boston this season? I think getting rid of Pierce now for a top 3 pick would be a great move for Boston. Tyson Chandler is a waste of bum life? Is this the guy on the athletic 7-1 player on the Chicago Bulls? You are sorely mistaken if you think Chandler is like Blount. The difference between both is Chandler is more athletic, is oozing with potential and is only 22 years old. From what I?ve seen, Chandler plays with more heart and is simply a better player than Blount. With his talent and motivation, he could be one of the NBA?s premier defenders some day and being so young and having some great physical tools such as his top-notch athleticism, he has more than enough time to get an offensive game together. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't trade players of Pierce's caliber for a draft pick. The premise of getting Redd, Allen or anyone else not on Portlands roster is a factor independent of this trade rumor and therefore shouldn't be relevant to the proposition. If you can't secure any big name free agents, then you're screwed, because 'Toine can't become the face of the franchise again.</div> Why not? Pierce is declining and with the 3rd pick, Boston can get back someone with the same talent and if they package up that 18th pick, they might be able to move up in the draft and get #2 where they can get someone like Marvin Williams or Andrew Bogut who will be stars in the league. This is too good to pass up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you don't resign 'Toine, then there's no Paul and no 'Toine and potentially no other star either. That leaves the franchise in Ricky Davis' hand, along with a roster full of players who are predominantly even younger than him. That pretty much guarantees rebuilding. You trade to get better, not just to make a deal. This isn't getting better. It might be for the future (2-3 years in the future, most likely) but it potentially kills the present and the owners aren't going to stand for that and frankly, neither are the fans.</div> The Celtics only lose 26 million dollars if they do this move and there are some pretty good free agents out there who can definitely help this team out. Even if you thought it was rebuilding, it would be better for the team. Sometimes you have to take a couple of steps back to advance forward. The Celtics are not a title contending team and rather than staying consistently mediocre year by year in order to please the fans, why not take some steps back in order to one day become that title contending team? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">IMO, most fans will jump at any rumor that presents themselves and find a way to convince themselves that it's better than what we have. All of that without so much as letting the FA market or the draft play themselves out. It makes no sense to me, but hey, whatever makes folks happy.</div> I don?t think this is one of those trades. This trade can put the Celtics over the top if they make the right moves and absolutely better than what they are putting on the floor now. They can become serious contenders if they?re patient. It?s in the teams best interest to make this move IMO.
I want Ainge to pull the trigger on a Portland/Celtics trade. It would get us a good veteran point guard, a high draft pick and salary cap room. Of course that's just a rumor but that would be a great step forward in a championship contending Celtics team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> ^^That trade rumor is just that, a RUMOR. It won't happen. It would put the Celtics right back into rebuilding mode and you don't do that when you've just increased ticket prices again. </div>Man Hags, we are Celtic's fans we want to win. We're not supposed to care about ticket prices! I hate watching Boston lose in the first round every year and just being an average team and not a contender. I want the Celtics to be a contender again. And to do that we need to make some serious off-season moves. And this trade would be a great start. I agree with 44. The trade wouldn't put us in the rebuilding phase. It would get us a lottery pick and another All-Star. We would be just as good or better than we were this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The difference between both is Chandler is more athletic, is oozing with potential and is only 22 years old</div>. Ahh yes, the "P" word rears it's head again in relation to Chandler. Thus far in his career, that's just about all that's filling his NBA resume: "Potential". Sure he's still young, but given his draft status and being given just about every opportunity possible, he still isn't delivering much worth talking about. Kedrick Brown was a young, athletic freak with defensive potential also. Frankly, I'm glad he's not a Celtic (anymore) either. If it's not obvious, I'm not in favor of this trade(duh). If it does happen, it's highly unlikely that we'll come within a stones throw of this season's record though, despite comments to the contrary. Pierce was just starting to come around to Doc and frankly, I think it's foolish to move him now without letting it play itself out further. Lose 'Toine, Keep Paul.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">. Ahh yes, the "P" word rears it's head again in relation to Chandler. Thus far in his career, that's just about all that's filling his NBA resume: "Potential". Sure he's still young, but given his draft status and being given just about every opportunity possible, he still isn't delivering much worth talking about. Kedrick Brown was a young, athletic freak with defensive potential also. Frankly, I'm glad he's not a Celtic (anymore) either.</div> Well Chandler isn?t all hype like many young players. He actually goes out and plays with heart every single night and was close to averaging a double-double this season. That?s pretty good considering he?s only 22 years old. Defensively, he is very solid and with that length and athleticism, the sky?s the limit. For the #2 pick, he hasn?t lived up to expectations, however we can?t rule out whether he can ever reach it. He still has a lot of basketball left! Even if he never reaches the success a #2 overall pick should, there is no question he?ll be a good player in this league and is a contributor unlike Kedrick Perkins. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If it's not obvious, I'm not in favor of this trade(duh). If it does happen, it's highly unlikely that we'll come within a stones throw of this season's record though, despite comments to the contrary.</div> Which trade has the Celtics better off in the future?
i dont understand... i thought boston was happy with paul pierce, i mean he is the leader and a great player, but on this board, all i c is pierce bashing and trading him places. i dont get it. do u guys look at the game from an economic standpoint? or what?
