Wade has a long way to go to catch Bryant

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  1. Tempted 2 Touch

    Tempted 2 Touch JBB Banned Member

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    Bryant's name has become prominent this week, though, as Wade teams with Shaquille O'Neal in an effort to dethrone the defending champion Detroit Pistons. Debates rage across newsprint and the Internet, asking, "Is Shaq better off with Wade?" Answer: Yes, if the issue is tranquility. In his declining years, Shaq couldn't ask for a better combination of talent and humility than Wade, who lit up Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals with a 20-point fourth quarter, 10-for-10 free-throw shooting, basic ownership of the proceedings and a finishing-touch dunk for good measure. He will need to do that, oh, about 30 more times in the next few postseasons to be reasonably compared with Bryant.
     
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    I'm loving how Bryant is slowly starting to gain fans and Shaq is slowly starting to lose some.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm loving how Bryant is slowly starting to gain fans and Shaq is slowly starting to lose some.</div>

    Good point.though I have equal respect for both
     
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    Bryant has gained and Shaw has lost fans? I never noticed. As far as this forums go, there seems to be more Kobe haters simply because he's not in the playoffs.

    I've never been a laker fan, and am neutral in the kobe vs shaq thing. But I never noticed Kobe gaining fans.
     
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    Okay? I don't get what that has to do with Wade having a long way to catch Bryant? It's not like they're the same age or something. Really right now they aren't that far off in terms of on court production. Kobe is still the better player, but the margin is hardly much. Also Wade played better against the Pistons defense, they went to 7 games, and him and Shaq were both injured, not to add Damon Jones. Not too much to mourn about for Miami with those conditions.
     
  6. kobe_8

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    damn injury excuses! just play injured like kobe does but i guess those guys doesn't have a heart to do that [​IMG]
     
  7. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I never really liked either Kobe or Shaq but Kobe is growing on me. Obviously Wade is much better at getting others involved but Kobe is still a better player.
     
  8. WadeDynasty

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe_8:</div><div class="quote_post">damn injury excuses! just play injured like kobe does but i guess those guys doesn't have a heart to do that [​IMG]</div>
    Kobe played 66 games this season. Where was he for the other 16 games???? Was he playing injured at home??? [​IMG] Also he played 65 games last year.
     
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    Well last year Kobe was in court a lot and recovering from off season surgery...but I do remember all the times he was playin he was either dropping 30+ or hitting the game winner....do u remember double OT vs portland to win the pacific division and home court advantage? Have yet to see Wade do anything close to that...That game winner vs. the KNICKS in the regular season doesn't count sorry
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe_8:</div><div class="quote_post">damn injury excuses! just play injured like kobe does but i guess those guys doesn't have a heart to do that [​IMG]</div>
    Am I the only one that saw Wade playing during game 7? Also didn't Shaq play every game in the series even though after every game he had to drain blood out of his legs, I'm not sure what you're really saying here [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Am I the only one that saw Wade playing during game 7? Also didn't Shaq play every game in the series even though after every game he had to drain blood out of his legs, I'm not sure what you're really saying here [​IMG]</div>

    did he play or just watch his team lost? did he even score in the 4th quarter? as far as i remember, he didn't do much. yeah, he played only to lose.

    fyi: kobe played with injury in the playoffs and did well.

    according to shaq, wade is the next jordan(or better). i wonder what he's thinking now...
     
  12. Shapecity

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    It's really impossible to compare the two careers of Kobe and Wade. Kobe is a veteran already and Wade is only in his second year. I think the best way to compare is by Wade at 23 vs. Kobe at 23.

    So look at Kobe's 2000-01 numbers and then compare.

    I think Miami fans and Wade fans have to be concerned about Wade's chances to ever win a title. This year and next year will be his best chances of winning a ring. If the Heat extend Shaq and the Heat don't win the title next year, then I don't think Wade will ever win a ring because the Heat won't have the cap space to build around him.

    Wade does have a long way to go to catch Kobe, but Kobe has had a lot more chances because he's simply played longer.

    Wade is off to a great start though, he's 2 for 2 in making the post season and the Heat went 1 round further than last year. So there was progress for him and the team.
     
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    but

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the best way to compare is by Wade at 23 vs. Kobe at 23.</div>
    I don't know about that. Just like it isnt fair to compare each of their second year in the league comparing Kobe's 5th year at 23 to Wade's 2nd year at 23 isnt fair either.
     
  14. Mr.Wade

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    Sorry where was Kobe in last years final vs. the Pistons again???

    Oh, I think he was there, (I THINK) Shooting 33%... yup.

    And to whoever said Wade hasn't hit a game winner yet... look at vs. Jazz when he shot over Kirilenko, and last year vs. N.O driving for the game winner over B. Diddy... I'm sorry but you have a moot point.

    P.S Why do Lakers fans just make random Wade/Shaq bashing Threads taht come out of nowhere, I just don't get it... this is stupid, I'm outtie...
     
  15. playmaker15

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    I'm sure that u laker fans are happy that we lost but these Shaq/Wade bashing threads are just stupid like Mr. Wade said. Of course Wade isn't as good as Kobe, but Wade didn't have Shaq when he peaked from 00-03. All these comparisons of Wade and Kobe are dumb because they had Shaq at different timesin his career so it's all based on a "what if"
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry where was Kobe in last years final vs. the Pistons again???

    Oh, I think he was there, (I THINK) Shooting 33%... yup.

    And to whoever said Wade hasn't hit a game winner yet... look at vs. Jazz when he shot over Kirilenko, and last year vs. N.O driving for the game winner over B. Diddy... I'm sorry but you have a moot point.

    P.S Why do Lakers fans just make random Wade/Shaq bashing Threads taht come out of nowhere, I just don't get it... this is stupid, I'm outtie...</div>
    Tru that

    Many JJballers believe that us the Heat fans always start sh*t.
    But, hey don't realize that in many cases, someone other than Heat fans bring up this stupid comparison and start bashing Shaq when the thread isn't even about Shaq.
    I'm SURE that someone will bash me for saying this but I do not want to provide evidence. Oh and they call many Heat fans "bandwagoner". Is it odd to root for a team when their favorite player goes to another team?
    If Kobe got traded, would you ,Kobe fans, not cheer for Kobe any more? If he got traded to the Spurs, would you not put spurs as your favorite team?
    Shaq got traded to Miami, so Shaq fans root for Miami. What the hell is wrong with that?

    Oh and They seem to forget and contradict themselves too because there were prolly more Kobe "bandwagoners" when Kobe hit stardom? Everybody jumped. Don't deny it, Kobe fans, you know it. And i'm not saying that it's wrong. As I just said... many new fans becoming those of the Heat isn't wrong.

    Back to topic, I said many times, Kobe is a better player. He's the best guard in the league so Wade can't be better than "best". But Wade is good enough to hold his own against anyone. He did fairly better against Prince. He's a heluva playoff player. Calling him not clutch is just wrong. Ya'll have to get TiVo or some and follow Heat games a little more.

    I would love for him to become a better player than Kobe but right now, come on Wade fans, let's admit it that Kobe is better player right now. But far? No. I don't think averaging 24 for the season and 27 for the playoffs leave him far behind. Unless Kobe averaged 40+ points for the season. As far as I know, he hasn't so Wade isn't far behind.
     
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    I think it's natural to compare the two because of the fact both played with Shaq. It's a good argument because you can take either side and there's plenty of stats or examples to argue for Wade or Kobe. Basically it comes down to who are you more of a fan of?

    As for your question WadeDynasty, if Kobe Bryant got traded, I would not root for him. I'm a Laker fan first, and a fan of Kobe 2nd. I still rooted for Shaq, but after he disrespected the Laker organization and the city of Los Angeles, he became public enemy #1. How would you feel if Odom bashed Pat Riley and the Heat organization after he was traded? Wouldn't you have some choice words and criticisim for him?

    A lot of the comments of calling Wade not clutch is ridiculous. Wade is definitely a clutch player and well on his way to becoming a superstar in the league. He played with a lot of heart after hurting his ribs. He still attacked the basket and was aggressive despite the discomfort.

    I don't think it's just members at the site who consider Heat fan bandwagon fans, I think it's the sports world in general. Is it fair? Of course not, but there are some valid reasons why they've been labeled as such.

    Florida, and more specifically Miami is known as a 'football' fan city. Prior to this year, the Heat rarely sold out games. Now that Shaq is aboard there are Heat fans popping up left and right. Sure most are Shaq fans, but a person following the career of a player instead of sticking to a team is usually defined as a bandwagon fan.
     
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    That's also true but I do believe Shape because you are probably the only Laker fan that I have respect for because you have never been one of those random Heat bashers. I understand why you guys are mad at Shaq and why he left but all of these bashing threads are really gay and are really getting to me. Laker fans have to stop and realize that this happened in the past.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe played 66 games this season. Where was he for the other 16 games???? Was he playing injured at home??? [​IMG] Also he played 65 games last year.</div>
    Kobe played injured until they forced him off the floor. Kobe would play with a broken leg if he had to.
     
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    yea ok. The only guy who wud do that is A.I but this thread isn't even about him.
     

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