Wade has a long way to go to catch Bryant

The facts speak for themselfs Kobe and Shaq won 3 titles. Shaq and Wade have not won any although this does not mean that they wont win any.
Kobe and Wade are both great players but Kobe is the better player as of now. I am happy Miami lost now maybe Shaq will stop bashing on Kobe and try to work more on his game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe played injured until they forced him off the floor. Kobe would play with a broken leg if he had to.</div>
Oh so he played 66 games injured? What is he, a superman? Why can't you just snap out of it and not be biased? Kobe is a human too. He can't average 27 points INJURED. This is NBA, the best basketball league in the world.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh so he played 66 games injured? What is he, a superman? Why can't you just snap out of it and not be biased? Kobe is a human too. He can't average 27 points INJURED. This is NBA, the best basketball league in the world.</div>

So much damn arguing in this forum. Geez cool down guys. Fact is Dwayne Wade is one of the best players in the game. Kobe is also one of the best. Let's not compare them after one season. Let's compare them after many years of battling has taken place.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it's natural to compare the two because of the fact both played with Shaq. It's a good argument because you can take either side and there's plenty of stats or examples to argue for Wade or Kobe. Basically it comes down to who are you more of a fan of?

As for your question WadeDynasty, if Kobe Bryant got traded, I would not root for him. I'm a Laker fan first, and a fan of Kobe 2nd. I still rooted for Shaq, but after he disrespected the Laker organization and the city of Los Angeles, he became public enemy #1. How would you feel if Odom bashed Pat Riley and the Heat organization after he was traded? Wouldn't you have some choice words and criticisim for him?

A lot of the comments of calling Wade not clutch is ridiculous. Wade is definitely a clutch player and well on his way to becoming a superstar in the league. He played with a lot of heart after hurting his ribs. He still attacked the basket and was aggressive despite the discomfort.

I don't think it's just members at the site who consider Heat fan bandwagon fans, I think it's the sports world in general. Is it fair? Of course not, but there are some valid reasons why they've been labeled as such.

Florida, and more specifically Miami is known as a 'football' fan city. Prior to this year, the Heat rarely sold out games. Now that Shaq is aboard there are Heat fans popping up left and right. Sure most are Shaq fans, but a person following the career of a player instead of sticking to a team is usually defined as a bandwagon fan.</div>
Like playmaker31 said, you are the only Lakers fan that I have respect for. Besides, realdealbneal who I hated to the fullest but also had so much respect for but he's nowhere to be found now..You are never biased like some other Lakers fans.

Anyways, for me, even if Wade went to another team, same for me, I would root for Miami but I would also root for Wade...But I would root for Miami if his new team faced Miami. Wade is the best thing Miami basketball team has ever had. And I love my hometown, Miami. If Shaq started bashing Miami, hell yeah, I would end up hating Shaq as well. So I understand why you hate Shaq and I don't blame you.

Speaking of bandwagoners, what i was trying to say was this. Sure, there're many new fans who never even watched one Heat game last season but is that wrong to like a new team? A new team that is considered a title contender all of a sudden? A new team that gets on national television 30+ times because of its new player? If that's wrong, then you have to remember, there were even more bandwagoners who jumped on Kobe bandwagon 4-5 years ago. Am I wrong?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pimpdaddy33:</div><div class="quote_post">So much damn arguing in this forum. Geez cool down guys. Fact is Dwayne Wade is one of the best players in the game. Kobe is also one of the best. Let's not compare them after one season. Let's compare them after many years of battling has taken place.</div>
Yeah I hate arguing too. I like good arguments but arguments like this, it's just getting too old.

 

My mistake Pimpdaddy I also have respect for you as well. You don;t just go and randomly diss every Kobe hater which is something that you don't find in many Laker fans. Your right there is so much arguing because of this childish feud between Shaq and Kobe, now its becoming a fan fued as well. Will this ever end?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe played 66 games this season. Where was he for the other 16 games???? Was he playing injured at home??? Also he played 65 games last year.</div>

Kobe's Injuries last year were from injuries past that actually required SURGERY.

this past year he nearly tore ligaments in his ankle....FAR worse then a "deep thigh bruise" or a rib injury.

Also, yes wade played game 7 and tried to parlay it into a willis reed type effort, yet before game 6.....wade was seen in the background of an interveiw @ shootaround and was laughing and doing cross overs and shooting jumpers.....yea he was in such pain.

Gimmie a break.

 

Mayb he took an injection b4 the game to numb the area. If u noticed he was grabbing it during the game and he looked like he wa sin pain so don't knock him after a corageous effort like that

 

Oh, im not doubting he was hurt or was in pain.... but far more people have played through worse more debilitating injurys and it went unnoticed.

Remember Kobe killing the Pacers? spurs? rockets? wolves in the playoffs/finals in past years, all the while being injured and noone says a thing.

 

Man Laker fans are the most abusive fans and they always hold grudges. I guess when they're used to winning, it sucks even more to lose. And when they ARE losing, they have to bash the winners and talk about how the OLD Lakers were much better.

Well Laker fnas, stop bashing everyone. Stop bashing Shaq for leaving you. Stop bashing Wade for playing with your ex-center. Stop bashing the Houston Rockets for having there own duo in Yao and TMac. Stop bashing VC or anyone else that just happens to be compared to your beloved Kobe. No other team's fans does this, but you guys do it endlessy. You're a bunch of babies.

 

You cant compare kobe and wade. I dont know why people are starting to overate this guy now. He isnt even an all nba player. He still has a long way to go. The guy still has no three point shot and many places to improve.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dakeem1:</div><div class="quote_post">Man Laker fans are the most abusive fans and they always hold grudges. I guess when they're used to winning, it sucks even more to lose. And when they ARE losing, they have to bash the winners and talk about how the OLD Lakers were much better.

Well Laker fnas, stop bashing everyone. Stop bashing Shaq for leaving you. Stop bashing Wade for playing with your ex-center. Stop bashing the Houston Rockets for having there own duo in Yao and TMac. Stop bashing VC or anyone else that just happens to be compared to your beloved Kobe. No other team's fans does this, but you guys do it endlessy. You're a bunch of babies.</div>
Thank you. That's a great post man I appreciate it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bplld:</div><div class="quote_post">You cant compare kobe and wade. I dont know why people are starting to overate this guy now. He isnt even an all nba player. He still has a long way to go. The guy still has no three point shot and many places to improve.</div>

Wade = All NBA 2nd team.

 

You know the laker board is in the toilets when you have rockets fans and heat "fans" in here posting more then laker fans....

SMH

 

Kobe was still playing slightly injured after his comeback this season. Does anyone remember Kobe with that shoulder brace thing he had and how he played with it on? Kobe is obviously is better than Wade. Anyone who denies Kobe is better than Wade is just saying that because they hate Kobe. Kobe is a vetren, Wade is a rookie still. Kobe has done so much more than Wade has. To the guy who said Wade hit a couple of game winning shot. None of them were really important. Kobe against Detroit last season in the playoffs and the two against portland are just of the top of my mind. Only time will tell if Wade gets better than Kobe, in two years time we should be able to tell.

 

Please Read!!!

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dakeem1:</div><div class="quote_post">Man Laker fans are the most abusive fans and they always hold grudges. I guess when they're used to winning, it sucks even more to lose. And when they ARE losing, they have to bash the winners and talk about how the OLD Lakers were much better.

Well Laker fnas, stop bashing everyone. Stop bashing Shaq for leaving you. Stop bashing Wade for playing with your ex-center. Stop bashing the Houston Rockets for having there own duo in Yao and TMac. Stop bashing VC or anyone else that just happens to be compared to your beloved Kobe. No other team's fans does this, but you guys do it endlessy. You're a bunch of babies.</div>

Essentially, I think Laker fans have a feeling that their is a Laker vs. world theme going. That is why they say and do these thsese kinds of things to the "haters." The Lakers have arguebly had more success than any other franchise in any professional sport and that's why so many people don't like the Lakers and try to bring them down whenever possible. I know for a fact that Kobe and the Lakers organization get unneeded media attention that is negative. People talk about Yao and T-Mac getting criticised too much but what about Kobe? Kobe may be the best player in the league since Michael. Kobe is doing well at handling his cool. I have some kind of thought that he likes the idea of having the haters and lovers. He goes on the road and just killes people. Then at home he is embraced and is seen by fans as god. I think we as the Laker fans are spoiled with all of the winning success so when adversity occurs, we don't know what to do. I am pretty sure that the Lakers board is the most active out of the other team boards. But it seems like there are alot more people at Club Lakers and Ground Lakers. I like Just BBall though. But anyway we have to have patience. That's the key to this whole situation. This off-season will prove Mitch's gm ability.

The Lakers are on the right track but we have to wait and stop bashing Kobe and the rest of the organization. Kobe has kept his mouth shut the whole year. It isn't Kobe's fault for the demise of the Lakers. Don't question the Lakers management for not doing some things because they are better at their job than any of us would be at that job. They are professionals. We are spectators and fans. Give some positive support to the organization. Honestly, what has Mitch Kupchak has done that was so horrible? Let me ask you guys this question. Mitch hasn't had an opportunity yet. Maybe he had a few bad draft picks but those picks were fitted for the triangle offense not the best players. I just got visions of Mitch being the next Jerry Krause. Oh no. Fans give respect and attention to Kupchak before he gets all insecure and rude like Krause.

The whole Shaq trade to the heat was a big fiasco. Is that the big thing people have against him? Do you guys understand that Shaq demanded the trade? Mitch had very few options to trade Shaq. I think the teams that Shaq would've allowed were Dallas, and Miami. Shaq had some kind of no-trade clause in his contract I think. There was no way we were going to trade him to a team in the same conference. So we had one option. People get mad and think Mitch didn't try and get Wade. Do you honestly think that he didn't try and get Wade. Do you guys think he just settled ohh yeah Pat I love Brian Grant's contract. I love Lamar's contract too. Ohh Pat give me some injury prone guys. That is equal for the most dominant force in the world. But Riley knew the situation and that the Lakers were running out of options. So Riley just offered these guys. Although Miami got the better part of the deal short term let's look for the future of the Lakers. Mitch did the best he could. But it was all Dr. Buss decision. Jerry Buss said he would've reconsidered trading Shaq if he knew Shaq would've lost 80 pounds or whatever the amound was. Shaq got so offended when he heard that and started bashing the Buss and the organization. But Dr. Buss's statement was true. Shaq just can't accept the truth. Shaq has been out of shape come training camp almost every off-season as I can remember. But in the past he was young and a monster so he could still be dominant without working out in the off-season. But now he is old and getting fragile. Imagine Shaq's season this year if he never worked out. He had a hard time playing this season because of his age and weight. Ideally, I think a good weight for Shaq would be like 300. But what is he now? I'm not sure 330 maybe. I think he was going to trade Shaq no matter what whether Kobe was on or off the team. Dr. Buss offered a bling bling extension to Shaq but he didn't accept it. Let's treat it like a real job. Shaq was swearing at Dr. Buss at training camp. What would happen if any of us yelled and sweard at our boss. I am only in high school but I am the most productive construction worker for the company I work for but if I sweared at my boss he would fire me along with anyone else that would do that. So Shaq should get fired which he did by getting traded. Shaq wouldn't have been motivated for anything if he came back to the Lakers. Shaq was motivated for the Heat. So we had to start sometime. Let's not waste Kobe's prime years on rebuilding. Let's get back to where the Lakers belong. We need more championship banners.

This is a online message board where we are supposed to speculate politely on the issues with the NBA. I think we can all admit that Kobe is one of the best in the league. Dwyane Wade is one of the best in the league. They are the two of the best players in the world. So what's the problem? Kobe is obviously a proven player in this league already so Kobe would have leverage on Wade in this argument. For now Kobe might be a better player than Wade but that doesn't mean Wade is not a good player. He is still one of the best players in the league. Don't be jelous of their success Laker fans, admire them and allow Kobe to be on the Lake show next year.

Amen guys. Let there be peace in this message board.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tempted 2 Touch:</div><div class="quote_post">Bryant's name has become prominent this week, though, as Wade teams with Shaquille O'Neal in an effort to dethrone the defending champion Detroit Pistons. Debates rage across newsprint and the Internet, asking, "Is Shaq better off with Wade?" Answer: Yes, if the issue is tranquility. In his declining years, Shaq couldn't ask for a better combination of talent and humility than Wade, who lit up Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals with a 20-point fourth quarter, 10-for-10 free-throw shooting, basic ownership of the proceedings and a finishing-touch dunk for good measure. He will need to do that, oh, about 30 more times in the next few postseasons to be reasonably compared with Bryant.</div>

Yea Kobe is way ahead of him Wade needs to go rape a girl and get out of it drive away the best big man in the game. Then drive away the best coach perhaps ever to coach in the NBA. Yea what a list Wade should get on that asap

 

Stop dissing on Kobe

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DaAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Kobe is way ahead of him Wade needs to go rape a girl and get out of it drive away the best big man in the game. Then drive away the best coach perhaps ever to coach in the NBA. Yea what a list Wade should get on that asap </div>

Are you American or you live in another country. Yes Kobe did commit adultey. Yes Kobe put himself into the worst possible situation by flurting and sleeping with that girl. Yes Kobe messed up big time and deserves alot of criticism for what he did. But in the American Court of Law, you are innocent until proven guilty. Ohh did that girl drop the case? I guess she did. I guess that makes Kobe innocent. That's really rude. You shouldn't be dissing Kobe like that.

Did you read the book Phil made? I suppose you didn't and you just watch ESPN with Bogut. Well PHil and Mitch and Kobe were in the same room. Phil asks Kobe if Shaq's precense on the team will effect his decision whether to sign with the Lakers or with another team. Kobe says yes. Kobe basically has taken a backseat to Shaq for his whole career. Kobe has worked harder and harder every off-season than Shaq. Shaq has always came to camp out of shape while Kobe has always taken the backseat. Kobe is in his prime now. He deserves the opportunity to be the leader and captain of the team. Now you will say that Shaq and Kobe could've won more championships. Shaq isn't the same player. Kobe isn't the same player. Shaq is not as dominant as before. Kobe is arguebly the most dominant player in the league. But look at the Heat. They have damon jones, eddie jones, udonis haslem and zo. Ohh yeah I forgot Wade one of the best gaurds in the game. These guys are really good roleplayers. They still couldn't pull it out against the Pistons. Do you think that just Kobe and Shaq with the rest of the team could pull it out against the rest of the league. I don't think so. Lakers have a future now.

Stop bashing the Lakers because alot of other fans aren't bashing your players too. God damn stop this arguing in this forum. All of you guys sound like a bunch of liitle girls.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pimpdaddy33:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you American or you live in another country. Yes Kobe did commit adultey. Yes Kobe put himself into the worst possible situation by flurting and sleeping with that girl. Yes Kobe messed up big time and deserves alot of criticism for what he did. But in the American Court of Law, you are innocent until proven guilty. Ohh did that girl drop the case? I guess she did. I guess that makes Kobe innocent. That's really rude. You shouldn't be dissing Kobe like that.

Did you read the book Phil made? I suppose you didn't and you just watch ESPN with Bogut. Well PHil and Mitch and Kobe were in the same room. Phil asks Kobe if Shaq's precense on the team will effect his decision whether to sign with the Lakers or with another team. Kobe says yes. Kobe basically has taken a backseat to Shaq for his whole career. Kobe has worked harder and harder every off-season than Shaq. Shaq has always came to camp out of shape while Kobe has always taken the backseat. Kobe is in his prime now. He deserves the opportunity to be the leader and captain of the team. Now you will say that Shaq and Kobe could've won more championships. Shaq isn't the same player. Kobe isn't the same player. Shaq is not as dominant as before. Kobe is arguebly the most dominant player in the league. But look at the Heat. They have damon jones, eddie jones, udonis haslem and zo. Ohh yeah I forgot Wade one of the best gaurds in the game. These guys are really good roleplayers. They still couldn't pull it out against the Pistons. Do you think that just Kobe and Shaq with the rest of the team could pull it out against the rest of the league. I don't think so. Lakers have a future now.

Stop bashing the Lakers because alot of other fans aren't bashing your players too. God damn stop this arguing in this forum. All of you guys sound like a bunch of liitle girls. </div>

Everyone who is not a bias laker or kobe fan knows he did it end of story

 

Wade isn't at Kobe's level yet, but I think he'll get there. He needs to learn when to pick his spots better, and make better decisions against the defense. He plays a bit out of control at times, and he needs to trust his teammates more in clutch situations.

Hmmm, I guess all those things apply to Kobe as well.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DaAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Kobe is way ahead of him Wade needs to go rape a girl and get out of it drive away the best big man in the game. Then drive away the best coach perhaps ever to coach in the NBA. Yea what a list Wade should get on that asap </div>



Why can't we just make posts about the topic at hand. Everyone either has to post a Kobe- Shaq thing or a Kobe-Wade thing. Why not just comment on the thread that was started. Da Answer, there's no need to comment like that about Kobe's trial, it's like when arice89 commented about Zo's kidneys, it made him look like a disgrace. There's no need to put a players personal life into a BASKETBALL thread. As for saying that who drove who out of L.A. we'll never know unless you were there when all the drama unfolded.