First of all, comparing anyone to MJ is ridiculous so lets avoid that whole subject altogether and talk about Robert Horry. The man is a winner, plain and simple. How may steals did he have off the inbound pass yesterday....I think I lost count.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">even if horry wasnt on the team, the lakers had fisher and kobe who was just as clutch as horry.</div> It's not about WHAT IF.. It's about what actually happened. Horry hit clutch winners in the Laker dynasty. So what if Fisher and Kobe are able to hit the shot. Horry did it to eliminate a team, which means he directly helpped in one of the title wins. He has always been a contributor too, so its notl ike he sits on the bench and waits for a ring to come his way.
I don't see the reasoning behind ripping on horry. All he has ever done is contributed his all in every game. In the past, which is what happened not what would've, could've, or should've happened, he hit 1 clutch three-pointer in particular which saved the lakers behind, so how're you goign to say he was just along for the ride? Sure he's not Wilt, or Jordan, or more importantly Bill Russell (haha 11 rings thats right) but Jordan couldn't have one a single game ever 1 vs. 5, so he always needed his secondary players. Even the 12th players on the bench make contributions, just not the same as the star players, but horry has definately contributed to all the teams he's been on. If you ever see what he says, he never acts like hes some great player. Lay off of Horry.
Horry deserves some credit for every ring he has. Its not like he just signed with championship teams and just rode the bench and never produced anything. He has been a major contributor for all the championship teams' playoff runs. He always steps up and plays like a beast when his teams needs him the most.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So what if Fisher and Kobe are able to hit the shot. Horry did it to eliminate a team</div>He did?Im assuming youre referring to the shot he hit in the Kings series.Youre mistaken.That shot was a game 4 winner,not an elimination game buzzer beater.Whats with the title of this thread anyway.Shouldnt it look more like "Horry surpasses Jordan's record".
Rings seperate the greats from themselves, but not role-players from legends. Horry never was anything close to MJ, but to say he didn't deserve the rings is oblivious and arrogant. Does he deserve to be in the HOF? IMO, definitely. Will he? Doubt it.
Yes, because it doesn't mean anything when you compare role players to the greatest of all time. Many would tell you in a second that Michael Jordan was the great player to walk on the court. Does anyone in the world honestly think Robert Horry is better than Jordan? No. Horry simply played a crucial role in the teams that he's played in. Meanwhile, Jordan basically carried his team. Someone above put it in a great way- is Bateer better than Stockton or Malone? In my opinion, rings can only be used to compare players when both of them have reached stardom.
Horry is the perfect example of a skilled NBA veteran; every team could use one of him. I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the teams he has played for have been title contenders.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">so all of u guys r fine with horry beating mike on rings.....;;</div> Well Jordan was obviously the main player on the Bulls when he won all of his rings and he is without question one the greatest players ever to step on a court. Horry has played well throughout his career but he is obviously not even close to being as Jordan. Horry has been fortunate enough to play on succesful teams throughtout his career (Rockets, Lakers and Spurs) and has never had to be the main scoring threat on any of these teams. He scored a career best 12 PPG in the 95-96 season, his final year in Houston, which is nothing close to Jordan's career best of 37.1 PPG. Jordan has never averaged less then 20 PPG in a season, a very hard thing to accomplish especially when you play for 15 years. Also, Horry has played with Hakeem Olajuwon, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant and Charles Barkley and has had the oppurtunity to play under coaches Rudy Tomjanovich, Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich. That is an elite core of players and coaches and Horry has had help from all of them throughout his career. Just because Robert Horry almost has the same amount of rings as Michael Jordan doesn't mean they are playing on the same level or can be compared in any way, shape or form. Michael Jordan earned each and every one of his rings as the main guy on every championship team he was on while Horry has rode on the backs of others throughout his career. I think Horry is an excellent player and he has had a wonderful career but don't judge his abilities by his number of rings because of all the help he has recieved thoughout his career.
i didnt say that horry was better than jordan, horry is just a traitor like morning,malone,payton(<---ahahahaha) that goes to the best team possible and tries to win championship. thats just my 2 cent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">i didnt say that horry was better than jordan, horry is just a traitor like morning,malone,payton(<---ahahahaha) that goes to the best team possible and tries to win championship. thats just my 2 cent. </div> Well, all the players you mentioned were old when they signed with a team just to win a championship. All of these players were past their primes and had one goal in mind, to win a ring. These players have all had great careers but are all missing the thing every player wishes for. If you were in their shoes wouldn't you go to the best team that wants you to have a shot at a championship? I know I would. Also, if Horry is getting offers from teams that are contenders every year, why turn them down? I don't think you can call these players traitors when they are just using common sense. If you don't have a ring, why wouldn't you go to the best team offering you a contract? Seems smart to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">i didnt say that horry was better than jordan, horry is just a traitor like morning,malone,payton(<---ahahahaha) that goes to the best team possible and tries to win championship. thats just my 2 cent. </div> What makes Horry a traitor? Do you label every player who decides to sign with a different team a traitor? Or it ok just as long as they're doing it for money and not winning? The Spurs are a first-class organization with greating coaching and team-oriented players. The Lakers were, well, the Lakers. How the hell can you blame Horry for wanting to sign somewhere else? And Horry having more rings than Jordan doesn't mean a god damn thing. Hell, Horry also has more rings that Olajuwon, Bird, Duncan, Chamberlain, Big O, and a host of all-time greats. So what? It doesn't mean anything. Quit your whining about Horry beating Jordan. Obviously, you're just bitter that the Spurs are a winning team, and the Lakers have gone downhill since Horry has left.
do u really think horry woulda made a different if he was in a laker uniform...nobody gives a damn about horry. hes' anicent and old and rusted!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">i didnt say that horry was better than jordan, horry is just a traitor like morning,malone,payton(<---ahahahaha) that goes to the best team possible and tries to win championship. thats just my 2 cent. </div> Ok this is just ignorance flowing like the rio grande. Let's see, Horry's first team he won a title with was the Houston Rockets. The way he departed with the rockets was via trade, which brought Sir Charles Barkley himself to houston and sent Horry and some other guys to phoenix. Then Horry kinda had a riff w/ Phoenix coach Danny Ainge, so phoenix traded Horry to the Lakers. So far, Horry hasn't betrayed anyone. Once in Los Angeles Horry was a pretty large contributor to the short-lived laker dynasty. Yes, he wasn't the largest, those 2 positions dominated by Shaq and Kobe. Horry shot horribly one playoffs with the lakers, (2-36 on three points, very un-horry like) and so they lakers decided not to re-sign him and let him go to free agency. He then signed with the spurs, and here he is now. So far, tehres no traitor there. That's ok though you just didn't know i guess.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hungi1115:</div><div class="quote_post">do u really think horry woulda made a different if he was in a laker uniform...nobody gives a damn about horry. hes' anicent and old and rusted!</div> So was Shaq and yall went to the lottery. Its not much of a surprise, he played with great teams rockets,lakers,and maybe wins one with the spurs, he could keep switching teams and I bet he could pass jordan for the 7th ring and could keep building rings until he has as much as 10
I love Horry as a basketball player...hes the prototypical NBA veteran...he's smart, plays defense and hits his shots, as well as being a great clutch player...I would say he's a very nice role player who understands his niche and is smart enough to sign with teams who he knows he fits well with...I mean, its not like he just jumped ship to these teams...he was drafted by the Rockets in 92 I believe, developed into a nice player and won two rings in 94 and 95...then we traded him to Phoenix in 96 in the Barkley deal, where he made the ONLY stupid mistake of his career, and threw a towel in then-coach Danny Ainge's face, which prompted Phoenix to trade him...the destination would end up being the lakers, which had just signed O'Neal from orlando, and had just drafted a potentially young star in Kobe Bryant...I believe this was in 97, 98, around there...for three years he went through coaching changes, team dysfunction, and yet remained a solid, contributing player until the year they signed Phil Jax, and won the title in 2001...for the 2003-2004 season, he signed with San Antonio, due to LA basically unloading the supporting core of their championship years (Fisher, Fox, Horry, O'neal)...and now he's playing for his sixth ring, and just passed MJ for Most 3s ever in the Finals...pretty glorious career if you ask me...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker31:</div><div class="quote_post">42 three's for a career? Thats not very much, I always thought he had more.</div> -Slaps the spit out your mouth for actually thinking that.- Robert Horry is nowhere near Jordans level tho, Jordan was a star player..Horry is a role player who happened to be in the right place..at the right time. He deserved those rings because he contributed to the team, and hes also a good player..So saying he didnt deserve what he earned doesnt make any sense. But for the bench warmers[Darko Millic ect] they dont really deserve the ring..Well when they do get one i hope they dont brag.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YugoRocketsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">So was Shaq and yall went to the lottery.</div> YOUR STUPID. How is that?...Wow your dumb...Your an idiot for trying to say Shaq was ancient and rusted during the regular season when the Lakers traded him off to the Heat...lmao stupid ass..STFU, you dont know anything. BTW..NOW Shaq is ancient and rusted since the playoffs, when his thigh problems occured.
In the midst of this thread hungi, I wouldn`t confirm that Horry is on route to his 6th ring, the Pistons are back home and with the help of home court Detroit has a chance of tieing this series up. But on subject, I really have to disagree with you hungi. I really liked what durvasa said: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And players don't win championships. Teams win championships.</div> I always liked Horry and imo, he defines clutch. And clutch players always deserve some kind of recognition. So I don`t care how many rings Horry gets, he deserves them all.
