So who fills the pippen role better? We're probably going to get rid of one of them, and my guess is Odom after reading the recent post on Butler/Jackson. I have to admit, though, before reading that post I thought Odom would stay and Butler would go, just because Odom is so much more versatile and Pippen's WHOLE game was versatility. After reading Phil's remarks to Caron though, I think it's pretty obvious we'll keep him.
you know, there might be a possiblility that we could keep both of them. i guess the chances are slim, but it could still happen.
Caron Butler has a very good future. I don't know if you remember but when he was a rookie he was in that sophomore rookie challenge. He scored well over 25 points and won the MVP award for that game. Odom is very good I think that if they both stay that will be a hell of a team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting da pimp 1:</div><div class="quote_post">Caron Butler has a very good future. I don't know if you remember but when he was a rookie he was in that sophomore rookie challenge. He scored well over 25 points and won the MVP award for that game. Odom is very good I think that if they both stay that will be a hell of a team.</div> Gilbert Arenas won MVP but ya caron butler played a really great game and proved to everybody he can play.
Well if they want their Scottie Pippen, they need to keep the one that plays defense, and that's Caron.
We alll seem to forget that Caron had knee surgery after his rookie season and was never the same. So when he finally becomes 100% he can be a great player, believe me I saw him in MIami.
Caron is unbelievable. I have a better feeling about him than Lamar this season. Caron will play at PG I think. Phil does like taller PG's.
I think it would be to our benefit to keep them both. My suggestion to Phil is to bring Caron off the bench in the 6th man role (like Dallas did stackhouse). Give him a fair amount of mins throughout the game, and then let him light it up in the 4th (a la Ben Gordon). The rational for this is 3 fold 1).This saves Kobe's &/or Lamar's legs for a deep season run.....2.) It would give him a stage(4thquarter) to display his skills especially considering this is a contract year for him. A great showing for him could be great for boosting his worth in a possible negotiation. 3.) Considering the triple post even in the Chicago era is a passing offense, it would be better to have Luke play the Kukoc role because he is probably as the greatest court vision and passing skills on the Lakers since Magic(true story). Also having a legit threat in Caron comming off the bench means never letting down the offensive pressure. Sombody tell me if these ideas make great sense or nonsense
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it would be to our benefit to keep them both. My suggestion to Phil is to bring Caron off the bench in the 6th man role (like Dallas did stackhouse). Give him a fair amount of mins throughout the game, and then let him light it up in the 4th (a la Ben Gordon). The rational for this is 3 fold 1).This saves Kobe's &/or Lamar's legs for a deep season run.....2.) It would give him a stage(4thquarter) to display his skills especially considering this is a contract year for him. A great showing for him could be great for boosting his worth in a possible negotiation. 3.) Considering the triple post even in the Chicago era is a passing offense, it would be better to have Luke play the Kukoc role because he is probably as the greatest court vision and passing skills on the Lakers since Magic(true story). Also having a legit threat in Caron comming off the bench means never letting down the offensive pressure. Sombody tell me if these ideas make great sense or nonsense</div> If he becomes a 6 man, he needs Ricky Davis minutes, and the fourth quarter thing won't work because Caron isn't as good of a shooter as Ben is. Why not just start him at 3, and Odom at 4. Then you have Devean George come off the bench.
You have to keep both of them, if the lakers want to have a good furture. Their both good players, and going to help out the lakers alot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it would be to our benefit to keep them both. My suggestion to Phil is to bring Caron off the bench in the 6th man role (like Dallas did stackhouse). Give him a fair amount of mins throughout the game, and then let him light it up in the 4th (a la Ben Gordon). The rational for this is 3 fold 1).This saves Kobe's &/or Lamar's legs for a deep season run.....2.) It would give him a stage(4thquarter) to display his skills especially considering this is a contract year for him. A great showing for him could be great for boosting his worth in a possible negotiation. 3.) Considering the triple post even in the Chicago era is a passing offense, it would be better to have Luke play the Kukoc role because he is probably as the greatest court vision and passing skills on the Lakers since Magic(true story). Also having a legit threat in Caron comming off the bench means never letting down the offensive pressure. Sombody tell me if these ideas make great sense or nonsense</div> Caron cant come in the fourth quarter and light it up, he has kobe on his team to do that.
Great point about the shooting touch, but Caron is a professional and pros work on weak parts of their game. He can easily fix the shooting situation. But moving on to your suggestion about him at the 3 and L.O. at the 4, yeah the problem is that playing the 4 hurt O last year, specialy on the defensive end, he would match up well against the majority of SFs in the west. Ginoblie type fowards might hurt him with speed, but his length would cause matchup problems for most physical small fowards like Marion,Rashard Lewis,Carmelo,Bobby Simmons or Magette, shooters like Peja,Gerald Green,J R smith,Mike Miller,Dunlevy etc. The hardest matchups would be the like AK47(utah),or Ginoblie. I also think that having two playmakers on the floor L.O.and Luke is a threat in it self. Plus Devon George is about to "KICK ROCKS". The point is for Kobe to his,rest his knees, gst Caron some "pop", and have the camera show Kobe on the bench rooting his teamate on.(ie showing how much of a TEAM GUY he is)
True, he would probably be a better 4 but who knows maybe he can do something to help him become a better defender against the good 4's in the west. By the way Bowen is San Antonio's sf, Ginobli in the SG.
I'd say trade Odom. He doesn't work well as a PF in the west and the Lakers could get Boozer, Al Harrington (plus fillers), maybe even Kenyon Martin. Caron also plays better defense and gets along with Kobe.
Odom has better trade potential, but I would keep both players on my team. Butler is going to be a great player.
I like odom a whole lot more than butler, simply because he has the height, athleticism, versatility, length and range...he can play 4 spots on the floor, is long, can run the PG spot, can set up people, and is an excellent rebounder...he suits the Lakers more than Butler does...I think Lamar and Kobe are gonna be an awesome duo, they just need a legit PG and a consistent big man who can screen, block shots and score in the post...
