Im really hoping they go with Wright (if Webster is not there). He is a great athlete and will give us a big two guard which is something they want. He will also be ready to contribute this season since he does have some college experence, but I would not mind Joey either. he to is a guy ready to contribute he is strong and athletic, but unless Hill is moved some where or he learns to play two guard he wont see many minutes this season.
Martell Webster was just selected by the Portland Trailblazers as many assumed after they traded down to the #6 pick. At #7, the Toronto Raptors selected Charlie Villanueva so this could be great news for the Magic as Danny Granger has a chance of slipping to the #11 pick.
well we've got vazquez out of expected but at least we got a big man. i'm not sure how good he'll be, or how good he is. i need to read more about him. i wonder why we skipped sean may???? and green is not even in the top 15....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sergio:</div><div class="quote_post">but no, we got the crappy frenchman. a big WTF is all I'm gonna say... i'm dissapointed.</div> i thought he's a spannish yeah, i'm a bit dissapointed why we skipped SEAN MAY????
Sportsrock is gonna come in here, and say it was a goick, but this was horrible. Warrick, May, Mccants, Wright, Granger, Joey Granham, etc. All there what a dissappointment.
my bad, he's spanish. but not a big difference, he still sucks. why did the magic talk about A. Wright, J. Graham, D. Granger, and than pick a "project" ? I just can't understand it.
I don't know what to say right now. Gerald Green, Danny Granger, Antoine Wright, Hakim Warrick and Joey Graham were all on the board. If you remember, every single one of these players (except Green but he was supposed to be Top 5) were on our draft board. The Magic supposedly narrowed down their choices to those players and we draft this loser Vazquez. He has never averaged more then 8 PPG and now we will be starting Jameer and Francis at the two guard spots. Unless the Magic make a trade or acquire someone good I will be ticked off and will consider this draft a failure. I still can't believe we had a chance at Granger, Green and Wright and we blew on some European bitch. This sucks.
magic organisation is stupid. enough said. they got lucky or something last year. now I'm just waiting to se a howard + nelson for a half dead veteran trade to go down. that would make my night.
I don't know why, bu I actually have an okay feeling about Vasquez. He might make a good center, we have to see, I Hate passingon Gomes in the second though, he was clearly the best player left for like 30 picks in a ro, the Celts were smart.
Yes I agree with you. The Celtics definently had a great draft with Gerald Green in the first round and Ryan Gomes in the second. I don't like us draft Diener or trading Martynas for a future second round pick because I think he was a steal for us to draft him so late.
Just think for a second what our lineup would have looked like... PG- Steve Francis/ Jameer Nelson SG- Gerald Green/ Deshawn Stevenson SF- Grant Hill/ Hedo Turkoglu PF- Dwight Howard/ Tony Battie C- Tony Battie/ Kelvin Cato I know Dwight would have been at power forward again but that lineup would be absolutely amazing. Man I hate the Magic sometimes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Sportsrock is gonna come in here, and say it was a goick, but this was horrible. Warrick, May, Mccants, Wright, Granger, Joey Granham, etc. All there what a dissappointment.</div> How do you know that this was horrible. How many times have you seen him play? For all we know Vasquez could be the best pick in the draft. btw, I'm not saying that he was a good pick, I'm just saying that he isn't as bad as you guys are saying. Give the dude a chance before you bash him. I guarantee you that maybe 1 or 2 people on this board has seen him play and probably 95% of you people bashing haven't. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Devilz:</div><div class="quote_post">i thought he's a spannish yeah, i'm a bit dissapointed why we skipped SEAN MAY???? </div> The reason why we skipped Sean May is because Vasquez was the #1 PF on the board. This kid was projected top 5 or 6, but the potential buyout is what ruined it. This kid isn't a project either, he's 22 years old and has been playing against much tougher competition then NCAA. Sean May wasn't even the #2 PF, he was the #3 one. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sergio:</div><div class="quote_post">my bad, he's spanish. but not a big difference, he still sucks. why did the magic talk about A. Wright, J. Graham, D. Granger, and than pick a "project" ? I just can't understand it.</div> Thank you for your in depth explanation as to why Vasquez sucks. Sorry for calling you out, but everyone is saying that Vasquez sucks. Have you seen him play? Someone at least put some knowledge into why he sucks. The Magic didn't think Vasquez would be available at their pick which is why they didn't talk about him. Vasquez was 4th for them the whole time anyway. Bogut, Frye, Felton, Vasquez was their order. Vasquez is less of a project then Green. Vasquez was seen as a surefire Top 10 pick. Were any of the people you mentioned supposed to be a surefire Top 10 pick? NO. Only person was Green. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know what to say right now. Gerald Green, Danny Granger, Antoine Wright, Hakim Warrick and Joey Graham were all on the board. If you remember, every single one of these players (except Green but he was supposed to be Top 5) were on our draft board. The Magic supposedly narrowed down their choices to those players and we draft this loser Vazquez. He has never averaged more then 8 PPG and now we will be starting Jameer and Francis at the two guard spots. Unless the Magic make a trade or acquire someone good I will be ticked off and will consider this draft a failure. I still can't believe we had a chance at Granger, Green and Wright and we blew on some European bitch. This sucks.</div> Actually he avg 11 during league play last year. Stevenson still has a good chance to start at the 2 guard spot. AGAIN, HOW THE HELL IS THIS GUY A LOSER/BITCH/HORRIBLE, SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU CAN LABEL THIS GUY WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT HIM OR EVER SEEING HIM PLAY? Please research the guy before talking so you can add more to it then he's a loser and he's a european bitch. Now here are some profiles for him. You guys might want to read them before you start going crazy on how big of a "european bitch", "loser", or "how horrible he is" http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=23 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=2179...ov=st&type=lgns Trust me, I was the same way, I was like WTF, why didn't we take Granger or Green or Wright? But I started to read the profiles on him and the kid doesn't seem bad at all. This kid was projected in the top 5 or 6, only Green was projected around the same. If it wasn't for the potential buyout then we would be dreaming to get this kid. HE WILL BE ABLE TO START THIS YEAR and make an IMMEDIATE IMPACT, unlike Green. THere is a reason why he was projected in the top 5 or 6, this kid has some serious skills. Looks like Dwight will be Center this year. All I'm saying is give the kid a chance, I've been reading posts on 2 boards and everyone wants to give up already. He's not a reach, he wasn't supposed to make it out of the top 10, something again, only Green wasn't supposed to do. We actually had seen Vasquez, while I seriously doubt we have seen or worked out Green. I am starting to like this pick, but we will have to wait until the season to see if he can play effectively. I'm just praying that the buyout won't be too big. PG-Francis, Jameer, Diener Sg-Stevenson, Francis, Turkoglu SF-Hill, Turkoglu, Stevenson PF-Vasquez, Battie, Dwight C-Dwight, Cato, Kasun Pretty solid lineup considering that Vasquez will likely be a good person to put alongside Dwight, unlike Cato and Battie. All you guys are hating on Vasquez, but wouldn't you rather have a younger guy playing and developing next to Dwight instead of Cato or Battie? That's just MO though.
Sorry for the double post. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Just think for a second what our lineup would have looked like... PG- Steve Francis/ Jameer Nelson SG- Gerald Green/ Deshawn Stevenson SF- Grant Hill/ Hedo Turkoglu PF- Dwight Howard/ Tony Battie C- Tony Battie/ Kelvin Cato I know Dwight would have been at power forward again but that lineup would be absolutely amazing. Man I hate the Magic sometimes. </div> Personally I like this lineup better.... PG-Francis, Jameer, Diener Sg-Stevenson, Francis, Turkoglu SF-Hill, Turkoglu, Stevenson PF-Vasquez, Battie, Dwight C-Dwight, Cato, Kasun We all know what Francis can do, Stevenson will start and provide hustle and good defense alongside Francis and his sometimes laxadasical defense. Stevenson also passes to Dwight more than most people. We all know what Hill can do. Vasquez can come in and be a very good compliment to Dwight. He won't demand many touches and he will be with Dwight crashing the boards every single time. He can also shoot the 15 foot jumper, so if he can knock it down consistently that would open the floor up for Dwight downlow. This would officially make Dwight the #3 option and not have to fight to get those kid of touches as he would for Green. Another thing is Pau Gasol came from the same league avg very similar numbers I believe and look at how well he made the switch to the NBA. Gerald Green wouldn't be able to produce right away. How many HS guards have been able to produce right away? Only 1 and his name is Lebron. This guy is rail thin and will get banged around until he gets some muscle. It's not like he got picked right after us, 5 MORE TEAMS PASSED ON HIM. THere must have been something else wrong with Green that we don't know about if 5 more teams passed on him. Same with Granger. Personally in the 2 lineups I see Stevenson as an upgrade to Gerald Green(this year at least, not in the future though) and Vasquez as an upgrade to Battie. All I'm asking is don't bash the organization yet until you've actually seen him play. I know I'm praising him right now, but that's just off of scouting reports. I'm gonna hold off all judgement until I actually see him play.
I don't know much about the Magic, but after reading Gators' post, I think he just explained it all. Green was not really needed with Grant Hill healthy and coming off a great year. Vazquez should come right in and be an impact on both sides of the ball; Green would not have provided you all with that. Vazquez has all the physical tools to be a force in the paint by using his great wingspan and quickness. And another thing that Vazquez will provide you with is defense- that's a big weakness on this team. Like someone else on this board told me a few days- stats overseas don't mean crap. So if you all are basing him om what his stats were overseas, then you don't know a dang thing about him.
Another thing to note is remember last year? Everyone was pissed off that we passed on Okafor. I believe I made a poll here before the draft and 75% of all people liked Okafor and 25% like Dwight. I was definetely the main Dwight supporter on the forum and I hate to do I told you so, but I told you so. So the same thing could happen with Vasquez, everyone hates him now and says he sucks, but what if he becomes a valuable player for us?
I hate this pick aslo Fran Vasquez what were they thinking, they should have picked Granger or Wright, the they could have gotten a solid 4 in the second round like Gomes, D.Jones and players like that. I say this was a horrible draft by the Orlando Magic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TwinTowers:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate this pick aslo Fran Vasquez what were they thinking, they should have picked Granger or Wright, the they could have gotten a solid 4 in the second round like Gomes, D.Jones and players like that. I say this was a horrible draft by the Orlando Magic.</div> I'm not gonna change any opinions, but why are you saying what are they thinking by drafting Fran Vasquez? What about him don't you like. Please back up your statements with some knowledgable information instead of "we could have gotten Granger or Wright" (who both btw were ranked lower than Vasquez). Please someone tell me what you don't like about Vasquez. There's been about 8 posts bashing Vasquez and not 1 of them explains what about Vasquez that they don't like. (Other than the guy who said he was Spanish) That wasn't a good explanation on basketball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not gonna change any opinions, but why are you saying what are they thinking by drafting Fran Vasquez? What about him don't you like. Please back up your statements with some knowledgable information instead of "we could have gotten Granger or Wright" (who both btw were ranked lower than Vasquez). Please someone tell me what you don't like about Vasquez. There's been about 8 posts bashing Vasquez and not 1 of them explains what about Vasquez that they don't like. (Other than the guy who said he was Spanish) That wasn't a good explanation on basketball.</div> Players from over seas do not always pan out. The Suns got a european guy a few seasons ago in the lottery expected him to be real good. Never did anything for them in two seasons ( to his credit he was hurt his first season). Now he does not even play for them any more, and plays for the Warriors, and he has yet to live up to expectations. True this can happen with a local product as well, but at least with a local product fans know what they are getting and also they are more familiar with the NBA game, because they grow up watching it. Who knows whatn kind of rules differ from this guys league, and the NBA. He also said he was a center, and had not played Power Forward much before. So we do not know what we will get from him there. We also did not really address our need at the guard spot by picking up another under sized guard in the second round.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Players from over seas do not always pan out. The Suns got a european guy a few seasons ago in the lottery expected him to be real good. Never did anything for them in two seasons ( to his credit he was hurt his first season). Now he does not even play for them any more, and plays for the Warriors, and he has yet to live up to expectations. True this can happen with a local product as well, but at least with a local product fans know what they are getting and also they are more familiar with the NBA game, because they grow up watching it. Who knows whatn kind of rules differ from this guys league, and the NBA. He also said he was a center, and had not played Power Forward much before. So we do not know what we will get from him there. We also did not really address our need at the guard spot by picking up another under sized guard in the second round.</div> Yes they don't always pan out, but sometimes they do. Just look at Dirk Nowitzki, Peja Stojakovic, and Pau Gasol just to name a few. Who knows, maybe Gerald Green will be just as good as Deshawn Stevenson, another lotto guard from HS taken. Not all of the HS people develop into stars like Tmac, Kobe, and KG. There must have been something wrong with him that we all don't know if 5 more teams passed up on him. He's playing in a league tougher than NCAA basketball, so he is going up against good players night in and night out. Bogut watched NBA when he was a kid and he was half the globe away, while Vasquez is only 4 or 5 hours away and Spain is a much better place for basketball, so I'm sure that he knows the NBA rules. I mean how much different could they be? THey all have the same basics and maybe some of the dimensions are different. He has played against the US team for his Spain team so he knows the talent level. Center and Power forward aren't really that big of a difference. It's just a little bit of a difference in where you are situated, but he can learn. I believe Dwight Howard had barely played PF before he went to the NBA as well and he adjusted well. It's not like he's going from Power Forward to Small Forward, which would be a much bigger adjustment. btw, thanks for at least backing your opinions up with something valuable instead of he sucks. His stats are solid in 24 mins, but European stats don't mean everything. I don't think that Pau Gasol or Dirk Nowitzki had good stats when they moved over and they proved to be great players. I agree with not picking up a bigger guard, we really needed one.
