<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>No, you can't tko because unlike me joking about the Falcons taking the spotlight you actually believe it about the Bills.</div> At least we got fat playing in the AFC pal - don't speak unless spoken too NFC neanderthal.</div> Thats not even worth arguing. Yes we all know the AFC is a tougher conference but the Falcons went 11-5 and got a game a way from the SB. The Bills didn't even make the playoffs at 9-7.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>No, you can't tko because unlike me joking about the Falcons taking the spotlight you actually believe it about the Bills.</div> At least we got fat playing in the AFC pal - don't speak unless spoken too NFC neanderthal.</div> I'm going to let that slide for now, because after the season starts you'll be eating your words. I'm just going to patiently wait for the season to start so you can finally watch the Bills go down the drain. I'm sure its going to be tough for you, watching them get the L week after week. "Mark my words," Losman will play like the rookie he is and in the end the Bills will be watching the Falcons on TV during the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>yea Losman is being way overhyped by a Bills fan that hasnt been able to overhype things in a while. Losman wont do good his first year its very simple. sure he did good in college but not against the most elite talent. As people have said. He was picked late in teh first round behind other QBs, that says something. Hes only throw 5 freakin passes, TKO for all you know he could be a huge bust and ur just setting him up for it. You have no real proof that he will be great u just say he will. Thats not enough for anyone but u. I just cant wait for the season to start because soon you'll find out that hes not gonna start well and ur gonna have to start making excuses.</div> Yeah Losman isn't going to do good JUST because you say he's not going to do good.
No, I'm just pointing out the fact that the Bills did establish their record while playing in a division that sent two (almost 3) teams to the playoffs last season - we split with one of them, swept one and got swept by the Pats. Yeah, I'm speculating too - IMO I think he'll be great, everyone in the lockerroom seems to like what they've seen from him and stands behind him - if everyone on the team likes what they've seen from him so far - why can't I have the confidence in him that I do?
and don't throw the whole 'well what do you expect them to say' crap at me because I've seen reports out of miami regarding their QB's and it wasn't pretty - for every article that you can find bashing Losman, I can find ten praising him - yes, I am FULLY aware that he hasn't really seen a significant amount of time on the field against NFL starters (mostly only cleanup duty after we had already put the opposition away last year, so all he really got to do was hand off to McGahee or Shaud Williams), but take into consideration his accomplishments that made him very desirable to us (and the Packers too) were made behind a VERY poor Oline at Tulane.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah, I'm speculating too - IMO I think he'll be great, everyone in the lockerroom seems to like what they've seen from him and stands behind him - if everyone on the team likes what they've seen from him so far - why can't I have the confidence in him that I do?</div> How old are you??? I hope your old enough to know of course everyone on the team is gonna say they like what they've seen. Hell Chargers Coaches and players said the same things about Ryan Leaf. They are trying to give him confidence for when he does play. The players aren't gonna come out and say yea he is stinking the place up. Its common sense.
Hmm, that's funny I remember hearing stories of Ryan Leaf almost getting into fights with guys like Seau in the San Diego lockerroom - don't say that every team in the NFL tries to give a perfect image - because if that was the case, they wouldn't be letting people in the media in their locker rooms.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm, that's funny I remember hearing stories of Ryan Leaf almost getting into fights with guys like Seau in the San Diego lockerroom - don't say that every team in the NFL tries to give a perfect image - because if that was the case, they wouldn't be letting people in the media in their locker rooms.</div> You remember these things after he struggled for a year. so don't hmmm me anyways they are trying to give him confidence. You are hyping him up like he is going to pull a Ben Roelisberger if not better next year. I doubt that. That was one of a kind.
Hes gonna be more like Eli Manning in his rookie year. Crappy and not winning very many games. But the thing that Eli has better than Losman is that Eli will be good in his 2nd year, Losman will take at least his 3rd year to get to the level Eli will be at next year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah Losman isn't going to do good JUST because you say he's not going to do good. </div> well hes certainly not gonna do well because u said he will. i'll just agree with everyone, ur gonna eat ur words in the middle of the season. All coachs say that their rookie QBs are gonna be good so fans come out and see and to give the QB confidence, i see its worked on u pretty well. i'm just gonna stop arguing because its getting stupid we all know u think the Bills are gonna be amazing and Losman will do incredible. We all know that u have Bill colored glasses over ur eyes and they will come off when Losman doesnt have a good season. And when losman has more int than Tds we are all gonna say see i told u so and ur gonna make an excuse to give him a break and that hes a young rookie. Which we have been telling u. so i just find this whole thread pointless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah Losman isn't going to do good JUST because you say he's not going to do good. </div> well hes certainly not gonna do well because u said he will. i'll just agree with everyone, ur gonna eat ur words in the middle of the season. All coachs say that their rookie QBs are gonna be good so fans come out and see and to give the QB confidence, i see its worked on u pretty well. i'm just gonna stop arguing because its getting stupid we all know u think the Bills are gonna be amazing and Losman will do incredible. We all know that u have Bill colored glasses over ur eyes and they will come off when Losman doesnt have a good season. And when losman has more int than Tds we are all gonna say see i told u so and ur gonna make an excuse to give him a break and that hes a young rookie. Which we have been telling u. so i just find this whole thread pointless.</div> There's some TRUTH for a delusional Bills fan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah Losman isn't going to do good JUST because you say he's not going to do good. </div> well hes certainly not gonna do well because u said he will. i'll just agree with everyone, ur gonna eat ur words in the middle of the season. All coachs say that their rookie QBs are gonna be good so fans come out and see and to give the QB confidence, i see its worked on u pretty well. i'm just gonna stop arguing because its getting stupid we all know u think the Bills are gonna be amazing and Losman will do incredible. We all know that u have Bill colored glasses over ur eyes and they will come off when Losman doesnt have a good season. And when losman has more int than Tds we are all gonna say see i told u so and ur gonna make an excuse to give him a break and that hes a young rookie. Which we have been telling u. so i just find this whole thread pointless.</div> If you look at the MO for teams that have had successful first year starters - they weren't teams that were in complete rebuild mode so it made the first year starting QB's job easier - look at Pittsburgh, Atlanta with Vick, Minnesota with Culpepper (even though their D wasn't anything special at the time), Chad Pennington with the Jets (didn't McNabb have a good first year as philadelphia's starter?). Now if Losman was gonna take over a team like the 9ers or the browns all your talk would be completely justified - but he's not - in fact he's taking over a team with weapons on O that weren't utilized to their full advantage because Bledsoe absolutely sucked - yeah he still has a rocket arm and can be very accurate, but he held on to the ball too long, and he never ever moved around in the pocket. This team was not 9-7 because of the offense - it was 9-7 because of it's special teams and it's defense. The offense had no shortage of weapons, but what good are those weapons doing your team when your QB couldn't take advantage of them? Mark my words - Losman will not do any worse then Bledsoe. Did I mention that the Bills were dead last in redzone scoring and that Bledsoe threw 11 of his INTs in the redzone last year?
what i'm seeing here is that ur comparing Losman to great Qbs such as McNabb and Culpepper, Pennington had 3 years before getting into his first game he learned the system for 3 years. Vick has a tremendous amount of talent and still hasnt gotten to his potential. And Big Ben was a once in a blue moon type of thing. Now what u dont mention is all the other Qbs that have been first year starters that have failed. U named 5 good talented Qbs and then immediately compare them to Losman....why? Is that ur defense that Losman will have a good season, that 5 other current guys have had good 1st years in the NFL. Thats lame thats not proff enough for anyone. I can name a bit more than 5 who have failed their first year as a QB in the NFL. The odds are pretty much against Losman, the fact is the guy did OK in college and was drafted late first round after 3 other QBs. So obviously scouts throughout the NFL thought these 3 Qbs were gonna have a better career than Losman. So after doing OK in college and being a late first round pick what makes him a good QB. He stayed on the sidelines all last year and threw a pick while only throwing 5 passes. The NFL is a tough league and if u dont dominate college as a QB odds are that u probably wont dominate the NFL. The only proof u have that Losman will be a good QB is that the coachs are talking about his progress. Its those damn Bills glasses. Take them off so u dont sound so stupid.
McNabb started 6 games and has experience going into the 2000 season. Even so the Eagle went 5-11. Culpepper begun starting after one year. like losman. He had a guy be the name of Randy Moss and was on a team just one year off of being a game away from the Super Bowl.11-5. Vick went 9-6-1 his first year but was on a team just 3 years removed from a SB. Vick and McNabb were also top 5 picks. 1 and 2 to be exact. They came out different years but regarded as the best players in the draft. Culpepper was very highly scouted as well and only dropped because of playing at a small UCF school. Losman was projected a 2nd rnd pick in some drafts and then climbed towards the end. So it's not a sure thing that he has the same sucess as those 3 as you seem to think. Losman is on a young team that didn't make the playoffs. Sure they came on strong at the end of last year but look it Bledsoe's play the last 10 game of last season. Losman won't match Bledsoe's numbers. Top that by playing a very hard schedule. The Bills won't be in the playoffs this year. Next Year I think is more realistic as long as the don't disband the d.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>what i'm seeing here is that ur comparing Losman to great Qbs such as McNabb and Culpepper, Pennington had 3 years before getting into his first game he learned the system for 3 years. Vick has a tremendous amount of talent and still hasnt gotten to his potential. And Big Ben was a once in a blue moon type of thing. Now what u dont mention is all the other Qbs that have been first year starters that have failed. U named 5 good talented Qbs and then immediately compare them to Losman....why? Is that ur defense that Losman will have a good season, that 5 other current guys have had good 1st years in the NFL. Thats lame thats not proff enough for anyone. I can name a bit more than 5 who have failed their first year as a QB in the NFL. The odds are pretty much against Losman, the fact is the guy did OK in college and was drafted late first round after 3 other QBs. So obviously scouts throughout the NFL thought these 3 Qbs were gonna have a better career than Losman. So after doing OK in college and being a late first round pick what makes him a good QB. He stayed on the sidelines all last year and threw a pick while only throwing 5 passes. The NFL is a tough league and if u dont dominate college as a QB odds are that u probably wont dominate the NFL. The only proof u have that Losman will be a good QB is that the coachs are talking about his progress. Its those damn Bills glasses. Take them off so u dont sound so stupid.</div> yeah, Losman doesn't have any talent Ask Green Bay why they coveted him so much (you think maybe he reminded them of a guy named Brett Favre) - last i checked Green Bay had a pretty good QB up there in cheese country. As for the whole 'well there were 3 other qb's drafted before Losman' remember he had alienated some people because he came off as cocky (a la Ryan Leaf) and he didn't have the best senior year - but his junior year, he was actually rated higher then Eli Manning by a lot of scouting agencies. and as for me sounding stupid - mods, doesn't that come close to a personal attack? Again and try to comprehend this THOSE FIRST YEAR STARTING QB'S THAT DID DO GOOD INHERITED GOOD TEAMS - like the one JP Losman is about to inherit (good defense, good running game, good special teams) - which made their maturation smoother - that's why I'm looking forward to this season and seeing someone not line up behind center wearing number 11 - like Bledsoe and Rob Johnson). Besides, #7 has been a good number for our QBs to wear (remember Flutie)
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