sorry for calling you stupid that was my mistake i dont really mean that. But i didnt say that Losman has no talent thats putting words in my mouth, i'm just saying that the fact that u compare him to those guys right now is stupid.
Losman'sArm Strength is comparible to Favre's it's not quite there yet, And LIke it or not if He had been available we would have taken him, It would have done em good to sit behind Brett for 2-3 years, Id rather have him than Aaron Rodgers im afraid. He's still a raw player though and his O-Line like Iv'e said before is gonna have to step up for him to have a good year. I don't doubt that in 2 or 3 years that J.P Losman will be a big time player but he's one of those developmental raw athlete types who have to be cultured a bit.
i agree with that but the problem is TKO thinks that he will be great and amazing this year which wont be so
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>sorry for calling you stupid that was my mistake i dont really mean that. But i didnt say that Losman has no talent thats putting words in my mouth, i'm just saying that the fact that u compare him to those guys right now is stupid.</div> I really fail to see how it's stupid - all of those guys (except Cullpepper) had inherited teams with good Ds that could erase an int returned for a TD by getting the ball back and giving the youngster another crack at marching his team down the field (if they didn't score themselves). Losman will be on a team with not only the 2nd ranked defense in the league (which going up against them in practice will help out a lot too), but the best special teams in the league, and a pretty damn good RB in #21. He's not a total rookie - and from a textbook point, he knows this offense inside and out - that was the first thing on his mind from the time he got here (something tells me he knew immediately he'd be the starter for us sooner rather than later) was trying to earn the respect of his teammates and he figured the fastest way to do that was to do his job and learn this offense - he knows where players are supposed to be throughout the plays and what he's supposed to do with the ball on each play - that coupled with his arm and agility is enough for me to be excited about this season. Losman was a 1st rounder just like most of those guys were too. Hell he even corrected a coach (not sure if it was Clements or Wyche) during OTA's. Whatever, I'm done - I'm sure if I were a Vikings fan and I was sitting here telling you about how Culpepper was gonna come off the bench and light up the league you'd be telling me the same thing. Only the difference is that I'm not saying that JP Losman will come in as a first year starter and light up the league - I'm saying that he will be the anti Bledsoe and not take so many sacks by holding onto the ball for too long and HE WILL make plays with his feet and that will make D coordinators have to account for something else in their gameplanning for us - none of which was a concern of opposing D coordinators with Bledsoe. And in the games that Bledsoe did not make many mistakes, we won. I'm done - if I were able to see you in person, I'd bet you cash that Buffalo will not be taking a step back this year (I'm also expecting Nate Clements to step it up for his big payday during free agency).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>Losman'sArm Strength is comparible to Favre's it's not quite there yet, And LIke it or not if He had been available we would have taken him, It would have done em good to sit behind Brett for 2-3 years, Id rather have him than Aaron Rodgers im afraid. He's still a raw player though and his O-Line like Iv'e said before is gonna have to step up for him to have a good year. I don't doubt that in 2 or 3 years that J.P Losman will be a big time player but he's one of those developmental raw athlete types who have to be cultured a bit.</div> I wouldn't of mind Losman at all. anything over carroll. I am just saying Losman is gonna have growing pains its very doubtful he comes in and leads a team with that difficult of a schedule to a 12-4 season like TKO thinks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't of mind Losman at all. anything over carroll. I am just saying Losman is gonna have growing pains its very doubtful he comes in and leads a team with that difficult of a schedule to a 12-4 season like TKO thinks.</div> Yeah I totally agree about him having growing pains no doubt about it espcially with the poor O-line that the Bills have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, Losman doesn't have any talent Ask Green Bay why they coveted him so much (you think maybe he reminded them of a guy named Brett Favre) - last i checked Green Bay had a pretty good QB up there in cheese country. As for the whole 'well there were 3 other qb's drafted before Losman' remember he had alienated some people because he came off as cocky (a la Ryan Leaf) and he didn't have the best senior year - but his junior year, he was actually rated higher then Eli Manning by a lot of scouting agencies. and as for me sounding stupid - mods, doesn't that come close to a personal attack? Again and try to comprehend this THOSE FIRST YEAR STARTING QB'S THAT DID DO GOOD INHERITED GOOD TEAMS - like the one JP Losman is about to inherit (good defense, good running game, good special teams) - which made their maturation smoother - that's why I'm looking forward to this season and seeing someone not line up behind center wearing number 11 - like Bledsoe and Rob Johnson). Besides, #7 has been a good number for our QBs to wear (remember Flutie)</div> Actually, we don't know if Loseman has any talent. The kid has only thrown 5 passes. J-E-T-S was wrong when he said that you sound stupid, but some of the arguments you make do sound silly. Intelligence and objectivity are two different things and so far your posts make me doubt your ability to be objective. You can misinterpret that as a personal attack, but I mean it as constructive criticism. It wasn't that long ago that you were making Loseman's tendancy to overthrow WRs a talent. Now, you're suggesting that the Packers wanted Losman because they see Brett Favre in him. That's just silly. First, we don't know what the Packers were thinking. They may have feigned interest in Losman to disguise their true draft intentions. Secondly, even if they thought that Losman was Farve-like, no one knows how a player will pan out until they are given a chance to play. The best point you're trying to make is that the Bills have enough talent to help Losman perform better sooner. I disagree because I don't think that the Bills are as good as you say, but that is the best point you've tried to make thus far. I would suggest that you go back and re-read your posts. Ask yourself if they show any objectivity because objectivity is probably the single most important factor toward gaining respect on this board. Remember, while J-E-T-S shouldn't have called you stupid, you did start this trash talking thread in the Jets forum. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. I hope you'll stick around. I hope you keep your passion for the Bills. I also hope that you can gain some objectivity so that your posts carry more substance rather than praising QB's for overthrowing WRs and fretting over jersey numbers. By the way, I remember Flutie. He was so great that the Bills dumped him and he's finishing his career as a scrub for the Chargers and Patriots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>JP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of FavreJP reminds me of Favre Ha ha, I'm funny.</div> Posts like this are an embarrassment to this board. To newcomers, this makes us look like a bunch of whining babies. If I stumbled across this board, posts like this would make me move on and look for a board with knowledgable fans. I hope this type of argument is what I have to look forward to in the future. I know we have a lot of young posters, but lets make an effort to show greater intelligence when arguing. I'm almost afraid to finish reading this thread. What's next? Na-nee, na-nee boo boo?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>Losman'sArm Strength is comparible to Favre's it's not quite there yet, And LIke it or not if He had been available we would have taken him, It would have done em good to sit behind Brett for 2-3 years, Id rather have him than Aaron Rodgers im afraid. He's still a raw player though and his O-Line like Iv'e said before is gonna have to step up for him to have a good year. I don't doubt that in 2 or 3 years that J.P Losman will be a big time player but he's one of those developmental raw athlete types who have to be cultured a bit.</div> Arm strength is the most overrated quality attributed to a QB. There are a lot of guys with big arms that have had to find careers outside of football because they weren't accurate and couldn't read defenses. Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Bob Griese and Troy Aikman weren't known for their arm strength. I never saw Dan Marino or Steve Young throw longer than 60 yards at the QB challenge, but they're going to the Hall of Fame in a couple of days. I need something more than arm strength before I will believe in Losman.
i agree i definatly shouldnt have called anyone stupid and that crossed the line and again i'm sorry. but i still think that what you are saying is overstating the truth of what is happening, idk maybe u were trying to piss me off... i mean its possible. But i still disagree with most of the things u have said in this thread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>i agree i definatly shouldnt have called anyone stupid and that crossed the line and again i'm sorry. but i still think that what you are saying is overstating the truth of what is happening, idk maybe u were trying to piss me off... i mean its possible. But i still disagree with most of the things u have said in this thread.</div> I said that while you shouldn't have called TKO stupid (which you agree with), he should be able to take it or not come into the Jets forum dishing it out. Do you not agree with that? I overstate the truth? If your saying that I state the truth in too strong of terms, that probably carries some partial truth. I am dishing out meat and there are some who clearly haven't been weened of the teat yet. However, if your saying that I exaggerate the truth, then I couldn't disagree more. My posts are like stone for the next generation of NFL fans. Some will use them as a strong foundation and others will be smashed upon them and be offended. That's my blessing and my curse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, Losman doesn't have any talent Ask Green Bay why they coveted him so much (you think maybe he reminded them of a guy named Brett Favre) - last i checked Green Bay had a pretty good QB up there in cheese country. As for the whole 'well there were 3 other qb's drafted before Losman' remember he had alienated some people because he came off as cocky (a la Ryan Leaf) and he didn't have the best senior year - but his junior year, he was actually rated higher then Eli Manning by a lot of scouting agencies. and as for me sounding stupid - mods, doesn't that come close to a personal attack? Again and try to comprehend this THOSE FIRST YEAR STARTING QB'S THAT DID DO GOOD INHERITED GOOD TEAMS - like the one JP Losman is about to inherit (good defense, good running game, good special teams) - which made their maturation smoother - that's why I'm looking forward to this season and seeing someone not line up behind center wearing number 11 - like Bledsoe and Rob Johnson). Besides, #7 has been a good number for our QBs to wear (remember Flutie)</div> Actually, we don't know if Loseman has any talent. The kid has only thrown 5 passes. J-E-T-S was wrong when he said that you sound stupid, but some of the arguments you make do sound silly. Intelligence and objectivity are two different things and so far your posts make me doubt your ability to be objective. You can misinterpret that as a personal attack, but I mean it as constructive criticism. It wasn't that long ago that you were making Loseman's tendancy to overthrow WRs a talent. Now, you're suggesting that the Packers wanted Losman because they see Brett Favre in him. That's just silly. First, we don't know what the Packers were thinking. They may have feigned interest in Losman to disguise their true draft intentions. Secondly, even if they thought that Losman was Farve-like, no one knows how a player will pan out until they are given a chance to play. The best point you're trying to make is that the Bills have enough talent to help Losman perform better sooner. I disagree because I don't think that the Bills are as good as you say, but that is the best point you've tried to make thus far. I would suggest that you go back and re-read your posts. Ask yourself if they show any objectivity because objectivity is probably the single most important factor toward gaining respect on this board. Remember, while J-E-T-S shouldn't have called you stupid, you did start this trash talking thread in the Jets forum. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. I hope you'll stick around. I hope you keep your passion for the Bills. I also hope that you can gain some objectivity so that your posts carry more substance rather than praising QB's for overthrowing WRs and fretting over jersey numbers. By the way, I remember Flutie. He was so great that the Bills dumped him and he's finishing his career as a scrub for the Chargers and Patriots.</div> You would disagree about the Bills being as good as I said they are - you're a dolphins fan - it's like... your job. But the fact still remains - no one D scored more then the Bills D, and the Bills surrendered the second LEAST total yards last season and were a top ten defense against both the pass and the run. And you know Willis McGahee did look pretty damn sweet - where's the validity in your arguement that the bills are not as good as I say they are? I've posted nothing but facts with the Bills and still 'they're not as good as you make them out to be'. Pretty lame. As for the overthrowing - you might think that it's just the result of him trying to get his timing down with his recievers - seeing as how the game is a lot faster at this level and I'm sure he didn't have too many recievers with the speed of Lee Evans or Roscoe Parrish at Tulane (if any). I'd expect him to have his timing down pretty soon - reports from the OTAs were that he was getting better and better and more consistent at hitting recievers in stride. And as far as Doug Flutie is concerned - the last time we made the playoffs was because of him. Our front office that was headed by an excessively proud John Butler who thought RJ was the second coming of Joe Montana refused to accept anything other then that Doug Flutie's streetball type of play would be outdone by RJ and his pocket passer with speed to run if he needs to type of play - guess what, he was wrong and it probably costed us a playoff game and then we cut Flutie and never made the playoffs since. Doug Flutie is probably washed up now, but the fact is, our front office kept the wrong qb that didn't give us any chance at a winning season - Flutie did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ooooh - and that means exactly what in reality? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.</div> your exactly right on that one. I will say this if Losman can play similar to Carson Palmer did last year your team will be in contention. Then Next season if you can franchise Clements and keep the team intact your challenge NE and NY for the divsion crown.
Usally late 1st round QBs take a long time to devlop. Kyle Boller has a great running game and a great defense just like Losman and still hasnt shown anything. He will be going into his 3rd year, and still hasnt put up big numbers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Usally late 1st round QBs take a long time to devlop. Kyle Boller has a great running game and a great defense just like Losman and still hasnt shown anything. He will be going into his 3rd year, and still hasnt put up big numbers.</div> very true. TKO has spent time comparing him to Roelisberger,Culpepper,Farve,McNabb etc. He has forgotten there is a chance he ends up like Boller. Now I think Losman can turn into a solid NFL QB but thats it. I don't ever see him winning an MVP or anything like that but I think he will learn the game faster than Boller. I was never really high on Boller coming out of college anyway. I always thought of him as a little overrated.
