I just dont see anything big coming out of Losman. I think he was a reach for the 1st round. Its probly like 60% of top 15 1st round QB picks make it. and probly only 25% of late 1st rounders make it. Ramsey, Grossman, Boller havent proved anything yet, so dont expect so much out of Losman
Not yet but he is in a great situation. A young stud RB. A veteren WR good for 1000 every year and Lee Evans is up and coming. Not to mention a very solid defense. So if he fails I think he might not ever have a better sceinro than this. Granted he will have a couple of years to prove himself worthy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I said that while you shouldn't have called TKO stupid (which you agree with), he should be able to take it or not come into the Jets forum dishing it out. Do you not agree with that? I overstate the truth? If your saying that I state the truth in too strong of terms, that probably carries some partial truth. I am dishing out meat and there are some who clearly haven't been weened of the teat yet. However, if your saying that I exaggerate the truth, then I couldn't disagree more. My posts are like stone for the next generation of NFL fans. Some will use them as a strong foundation and others will be smashed upon them and be offended. That's my blessing and my curse.</div> i actually was talking to TKO the only thing that was directed at u was that i shouldnt have called tko stupid
But Ramsey had a good running game last year, and a good defense with and 2 good WRs. Boller has a great running game in 2003 than Losman will ever have, and he had a great defense also. Both those guys had the same things Losman will have
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>But Ramsey had a good running game last year, and a good defense with and 2 good WRs. Boller has a great running game in 2003 than Losman will ever have, and he had a great defense also. Both those guys had the same things Losman will have</div> good points panthers1. sometimes having a great RB and a great Defense doesn't necasserly mean that the QB will play great to.
I can see Willis McGahee pulling something off like what Jamal Lewis did with the ravens if Losman makes other teams respect our passing game. It's obvious that the offensive line isn't going to give him the best protection all the time, but we will have the fact that our Oline is big and strong and will open holes for McGahee to make the running game respectable. For most teams that is the way it works, you run the ball to set up the pass. Balance on O is what keeps teams honest on D. I have no doubt that teams are gonna try to stack the line to stop McGahee until Losman makes them pay, and shows poise in the pocket.
Losman probably isn't play good enough to make teams respect the passing game though. I think he will towards the end of the season but he isn't gonna come in right off the bat and throw for 300 yards and 2 TD's with 0 INT's.
Mcgahee wont run for over 2000 yards because you have to extremly durable and huge back like Jamal was. Mcgahee is durable yet, he hasnt proven that he can get the ball 387 times like jamal did in 03. Which is 104 more times than he did last year
Well Barry Sanders wasn't a big huge back and he ran for 2000 yards. Then again thats Barry Sanders. Terrell Davis did as well and I am not sure how big he was but it couldn't of been any bigger than 220. McGahee might have a 1800 yard season in him in the future IF he stays healthy but with that offensive line this season he won't come close to 2000. I'll give him 1600 and 15 TD's but not 2000.
Lewis did it with a good o-line, and the bills dont really have one. And with Losman struggling teams will put 9 players in the box. Which will limit McGahee. McGahee is good in the open field but when he bogged down he doesnt seem to get through it. Jamal Lewis has huge size, Barry Sanders had unbeliebable moves. McGahee would get 1600 easly in the Colts offense but with Losman struggling, teams will focus on McGahee
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>jeez putting a second year RB on a 2000 yard season a little much cmon</div> I didn't say he'd do it right now - and I'm full aware that he may never do it, but we do have one of the most respected offensive line coaches in the league sooner or later he'll have this unit ranked with the likes of KC and Denver. Second of all - McGahee is a big back (bigger then another RB that had also rushed for 2000 yards - but in only 14 games against D's that knew we were no threat to pass the ball because our QB and recievers were a joke - OJ).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Lewis did it with a good o-line, and the bills dont really have one. And with Losman struggling teams will put 9 players in the box. Which will limit McGahee. McGahee is good in the open field but when he bogged down he doesnt seem to get through it. Jamal Lewis has huge size, Barry Sanders had unbeliebable moves. McGahee would get 1600 easly in the Colts offense but with Losman struggling, teams will focus on McGahee</div> You see that's your problem - you automatically assume that Losman is gonna struggle - just because you don't like Buffalo for some reason - as far as McGahee getting bogged down - no RB was hit behind the line of scrimmage more times for the amount of carries he got last season then McGahee - yet he still went over 1,100 yards (on only 11 starts). BTW - you don't think that teams were focused on McGahee last year? again try watching some of our games instead of just the highlights on ESPN at the end of the day. Look at how crappy Bledsoe's numbers were in individual games - McGahee was the only weapon we were able to utilize successfully in over 1/2 our wins. one more thing - does Kyle Boller have a probowl type reciever (or two now with the expected emergence of Lee Evans who led all rookie WRs in TDs last season)? No - Losman will have one maybe two probowl caliber recievers this year - that will make a huge difference. Once again you attack your own credibility.
BTW Panthersare#1 - I think McGahee's #'s if projected out across a whole season as starter would have projected into like 1600 yds rushing on the Bills last year - it would have also projected into like 19 TDs - certainly not bad #s (why I think that would have put him into contention for the rushing title wouldn't it?).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can see Willis McGahee pulling something off like what Jamal Lewis did with the ravens .</div> LOLOL..Man am I Glad I dropped out of this thread...what a Joke...nevermind you went on to compare him with the juice who played in a totally different era....LOL all I can honestly say is WOW
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> BTW - you don't think that teams were focused on McGahee last year? again try watching some of our games instead of just the highlights on ESPN at the end of the day. Look at how crappy Bledsoe's numbers were in individual games - McGahee was the only weapon we were able to utilize successfully in over 1/2 our wins. one more thing - does Kyle Boller have a probowl type reciever (or two now with the expected emergence of Lee Evans who led all rookie WRs in TDs last season)? No - Losman will have one maybe two probowl caliber recievers this year - that will make a huge difference. Once again you attack your own credibility.</div> Kyle Boller has Derrick Mason who caught 96 balls 1168 and 7 TDS. and has been to the pro bowl twice. Thats more than Moulds. He also has 1st round pick Mark Clayton. So dont tell me im attacking my own credibility when your wrong
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>You would disagree about the Bills being as good as I said they are - you're a dolphins fan - it's like... your job. But the fact still remains - no one D scored more then the Bills D, and the Bills surrendered the second LEAST total yards last season and were a top ten defense against both the pass and the run. And you know Willis McGahee did look pretty damn sweet - where's the validity in your arguement that the bills are not as good as I say they are? I've posted nothing but facts with the Bills and still 'they're not as good as you make them out to be'. Pretty lame. As for the overthrowing - you might think that it's just the result of him trying to get his timing down with his recievers - seeing as how the game is a lot faster at this level and I'm sure he didn't have too many recievers with the speed of Lee Evans or Roscoe Parrish at Tulane (if any). I'd expect him to have his timing down pretty soon - reports from the OTAs were that he was getting better and better and more consistent at hitting recievers in stride. And as far as Doug Flutie is concerned - the last time we made the playoffs was because of him. Our front office that was headed by an excessively proud John Butler who thought RJ was the second coming of Joe Montana refused to accept anything other then that Doug Flutie's streetball type of play would be outdone by RJ and his pocket passer with speed to run if he needs to type of play - guess what, he was wrong and it probably costed us a playoff game and then we cut Flutie and never made the playoffs since. Doug Flutie is probably washed up now, but the fact is, our front office kept the wrong qb that didn't give us any chance at a winning season - Flutie did.</div> Let's learn a new word today, objectivity. Yes, I'm a Dolphins fan but any poster on this board, that doesn't suffer from video game induced ADD, will tell you that one of my greatest qualities, other than my George Clooney-esqe good looks, rapier wit and unmatched literary acuity is my uncanny ability to extricate the truth from the deluge of hype that permeates these threads. I have no trouble giving the Patriots the respect that they have earned as the World Champions and the first dynasty of the 2000s. I hate the Jets but I have championed Curtis Martin as the most underrated running back in the NFL. I haven't spent as much time praising the Bills, but that's mainly because they really haven't earned much praise as of late. TKO, the facts you say that you've been posting is nothing but speculation about two young players. Yes, the Bills defense is good, but I'm not going to fall over my tongue running to sing the praises a 9-7 football team. Yes, I realize that once you factor in the steaming pile of excuses you make for the Bills that they're record should be 14-2 and they should be crowned World Champs. You can call my refusal to accept hype as lame, but I'm not worried about JBL suing me for gimmick infringement. You do realize that the movie "Second String" was fiction and not a team highlight film? As for the overthrowing, this is the first time I've heard you say anything about timing. When you brought up Loseman's over throwing WRs, you were spinning it as a talent. You have to give me something better than a cockamamie theory about overthrowing WRs will reduce interceptions before I believe Loseman will be any good. Your right about Flutie getting you to the playoffs. He did and then Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor made Flutie Flakes of him and he hasn't been the same since.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> BTW - you don't think that teams were focused on McGahee last year? again try watching some of our games instead of just the highlights on ESPN at the end of the day. Look at how crappy Bledsoe's numbers were in individual games - McGahee was the only weapon we were able to utilize successfully in over 1/2 our wins. one more thing - does Kyle Boller have a probowl type reciever (or two now with the expected emergence of Lee Evans who led all rookie WRs in TDs last season)? No - Losman will have one maybe two probowl caliber recievers this year - that will make a huge difference. Once again you attack your own credibility.</div> Kyle Boller has Derrick Mason who caught 96 balls 1168 and 7 TDS. and has been to the pro bowl twice. Thats more than Moulds. He also has 1st round pick Mark Clayton. So dont tell me im attacking my own credibility when your wrong</div> That's BS - Moulds has been to the Probowl 3 times, has caught over 100 passes in a season feel free to not post any more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'> BTW - you don't think that teams were focused on McGahee last year? again try watching some of our games instead of just the highlights on ESPN at the end of the day. Look at how crappy Bledsoe's numbers were in individual games - McGahee was the only weapon we were able to utilize successfully in over 1/2 our wins. one more thing - does Kyle Boller have a probowl type reciever (or two now with the expected emergence of Lee Evans who led all rookie WRs in TDs last season)? No - Losman will have one maybe two probowl caliber recievers this year - that will make a huge difference. Once again you attack your own credibility.</div> Kyle Boller has Derrick Mason who caught 96 balls 1168 and 7 TDS. and has been to the pro bowl twice. Thats more than Moulds. He also has 1st round pick Mark Clayton. So dont tell me im attacking my own credibility when your wrong</div> That's BS - Moulds has been to the Probowl 3 times, has caught over 100 passes in a season feel free to not post any more.</div> yea the bills have such a great team and they have so so many weapons and the next barry sanders and brett farve on the team. that was sarcasm. Derrick Mason and Eric Moulds rank about the same on the reciever ranks. Both are great and Moulds was amazing but has aged and is about the same. I would take Mason right now who is very underrated. Wow 1 more Pro Bowl that sure means a lot doesn't it. Brady has been to 1 or 2 Pro Bowls and has 3 rings in 4 years. So Pro Bowls mean nothing really at all. Now I am sure your thinking Lee Evans. Yes but he hasn't proven much in the nfl. But what about his big play at the end of the year. Maybe it's a fluke. The saints play great at the end of the year the past 3 or 4 years and they haven't been making the playoffs anytime soon. All I see his a young offense built around a young RB with so much potential relying on a defense without big Pat Williams and relying on a 1st year starting QB who is UNPROVEN taken in the bottom half of the 1st rnd a year ago with an average and somewhat not reliable o-line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>You would disagree about the Bills being as good as I said they are - you're a dolphins fan - it's like... your job. But the fact still remains - no one D scored more then the Bills D, and the Bills surrendered the second LEAST total yards last season and were a top ten defense against both the pass and the run. And you know Willis McGahee did look pretty damn sweet - where's the validity in your arguement that the bills are not as good as I say they are? I've posted nothing but facts with the Bills and still 'they're not as good as you make them out to be'. Pretty lame. As for the overthrowing - you might think that it's just the result of him trying to get his timing down with his recievers - seeing as how the game is a lot faster at this level and I'm sure he didn't have too many recievers with the speed of Lee Evans or Roscoe Parrish at Tulane (if any). I'd expect him to have his timing down pretty soon - reports from the OTAs were that he was getting better and better and more consistent at hitting recievers in stride. And as far as Doug Flutie is concerned - the last time we made the playoffs was because of him. Our front office that was headed by an excessively proud John Butler who thought RJ was the second coming of Joe Montana refused to accept anything other then that Doug Flutie's streetball type of play would be outdone by RJ and his pocket passer with speed to run if he needs to type of play - guess what, he was wrong and it probably costed us a playoff game and then we cut Flutie and never made the playoffs since. Doug Flutie is probably washed up now, but the fact is, our front office kept the wrong qb that didn't give us any chance at a winning season - Flutie did.</div> Let's learn a new word today, objectivity. Yes, I'm a Dolphins fan but any poster on this board, that doesn't suffer from video game induced ADD, will tell you that one of my greatest qualities, other than my George Clooney-esqe good looks, rapier wit and unmatched literary acuity is my uncanny ability to extricate the truth from the deluge of hype that permeates these threads. I have no trouble giving the Patriots the respect that they have earned as the World Champions and the first dynasty of the 2000s. I hate the Jets but I have championed Curtis Martin as the most underrated running back in the NFL. I haven't spent as much time praising the Bills, but that's mainly because they really haven't earned much praise as of late. TKO, the facts you say that you've been posting is nothing but speculation about two young players. Yes, the Bills defense is good, but I'm not going to fall over my tongue running to sing the praises a 9-7 football team. Yes, I realize that once you factor in the steaming pile of excuses you make for the Bills that they're record should be 14-2 and they should be crowned World Champs. You can call my refusal to accept hype as lame, but I'm not worried about JBL suing me for gimmick infringement. You do realize that the movie "Second String" was fiction and not a team highlight film? As for the overthrowing, this is the first time I've heard you say anything about timing. When you brought up Loseman's over throwing WRs, you were spinning it as a talent. You have to give me something better than a cockamamie theory about overthrowing WRs will reduce interceptions before I believe Loseman will be any good. Your right about Flutie getting you to the playoffs. He did and then Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor made Flutie Flakes of him and he hasn't been the same since.</div> And what did you guys do after that game - Oh yeah, I remember now - you guys got embarassed by Denver. I'd rather see incomplete passes then INTs. As far as the overthrowing goes - I was trying to make the point that he tries to put the ball only where his recievers can make a play on it - and I guess I kinda hoped you guys would assume that there was some timing issues being worked out. BTW - I know it's so much more fun for you phin fans to dwell on the past - but those days are gone - both of our teams are under the control of different regimes and well, your team's leadership is gonna take a while to get your players adequately acclimated to the systems they wish to implement. My team on the other hand has pretty much absorbed Mularkey's O and this will be like the 5th year our D will be headed by Jerry Gray. It has to suck to be you - I've been there before when we went 3-13 under Gregg Williams. Like it or not, 9-7 is still a winning record - so choke on that.
