I didnt like the Williams pick...its very likely that he wont be on an NBA roster next season...I wouldve preferred to see the Sixers grab a big like Ryan Gomes or the high-schooler Blatche...they dont need another guard, and if they did want him, I suppose Willie Green and/or John Salmons are out of the Sixers' equation...bad pick, IMO...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">they dont need another guard, and if they did want him, I suppose Willie Green and/or John Salmons are out of the Sixers' equation...bad pick, IMO...</div> That isn't really true, they do need another guard because Allen Iverson is point, and as a backup the Sixers have Kevin Ollie. I'm not sure about everyone else ut I'd rather have Williams over Ollie at this point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">That isn't really true, they do need another guard because Allen Iverson is point, and as a backup the Sixers have Kevin Ollie. I'm not sure about everyone else ut I'd rather have Williams over Ollie at this point.</div> If we aquire Marshall like many people are hoping, and retain Korver more than likely Igoudala, and Korver would split a lot of time at the two guard position. Which would elave Willie Green without a spot. Green is not really a big guard so he would most likely get pushed back to the point guard spot as Iversons back up, and occassionally get some minutes at the two. In reality Shooter makes a good point considering we have Green we do not really need a gaurd only perhaps for insurence should we not retain him. I mean look at our lineup as it is without Williams.... PG- Allen Iverson, Willie Green, John Salmons, Aaron Mckie, Kevin Ollie SG- Andre Igoudala, Kyle Korver, Aaron Mckie, Willie Green, John Salmons SF- Donyell Marshall (possibly), Kyle Korver, Aaron Mckie PF- Chris Webber, Donyell Marshall ( possibly) C- Samuel Dalembert, Marc Jackson As you see the team has many options at point guard/shooting guard even if they should waive Mckie later this summer. However, at the power forward slot they need serious help I mean C-webbs back up would be our starting small forward. Should Donyell get injured if we sign him who would back up Webber. Hell this is all speculation to who is to say we are even going to sign Marshall. Also remember Allen plays 40 minutes a night so he does not need much back up. Hell you said you would take Williams over Ollie. I would actually preffer Ollie over Williams at the point guard spot at this point. A point guard has to handle the ball Ollie has a excellent assist to turnover ratio, while Williams has no handles at this point to help him control the ball when having NBA pressure applied to him. Niether have a jumper at this point so it is pretty much a wash with Ollie's ball control putting him ahead right now.
I see that I am fighting a losing war. People I don't know what your expectations were about the 76ers and their draft but their intentions and goals were not to draft someone who can come in and play automatically. They want a player for the future and that?s what they got, King knows what he is doing he drafted him for a reason obviously he has tweaking to do with the roster. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PG- Allen Iverson, Willie Green, John Salmons, Aaron Mckie, Kevin Ollie SG- Andre Igoudala, Kyle Korver, Aaron Mckie, Willie Green, John Salmons SF- Donyell Marshall (possibly), Kyle Korver, Aaron Mckie PF- Chris Webber, Donyell Marshall ( possibly) C- Samuel Dalembert, Marc Jackson</div> Also that depth chart can be re arranged assuming we resign the three free agents well take a look: PG: Allen Iverson/Kevin Ollie/Louis Williams SG:Willie Green/Aaron Mckie SF:Andre Iguodala/Kyle Korver/John Salmons PF:Chris Webber/? C: Samuel Dalembert/Marc Jackson Explain to me why that line up wouldn't work? Marshall comes off the bench where he plays his best if we sign him, and Green starts at shooting guard, which he proved he could play alongside Allen in the playoffs. Korver provides instant offense off the bench and everything else is in its normal state. I don't understand how you made that depth chart so complicated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I see that I am fighting a losing war. People I don't know what your expectations were about the 76ers and their draft but their intentions and goals were not to draft someone who can come in and play automatically. They want a player for the future and that?s what they got, King knows what he is doing he drafted him for a reason obviously he has tweaking to do with the roster.</div> See the only problem with that comment is there were players that could have come into this orginization right now, and on a playoff ready team contributed Jawad Williams, Dwyane Jones, Matt Walsh, all those guys would have been better picks for this orginization then Williams. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">Also that depth chart can be re arranged assuming we resign the three free agents well take a look: PG: Allen Iverson/Kevin Ollie/Louis Williams SG:Willie Green/Aaron Mckie SF:Andre Iguodala/Kyle Korver/John Salmons PF:Chris Webber/? C: Samuel Dalembert/Marc Jackson Explain to me why that line up wouldn't work?</div> Willie Green can not play along Allen in the back court at the same time in my mind. They are two similiar in there styles, and Green would be miss matched as a starting shooting guard he is no Eric Snow either he can not play defense the way Snow did. Tell me how well they would do against back courts like J Kidd nd Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton and Billups, etc. They would be at a disadvantage against several teams. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">Marshall comes off the bench where he plays his best if we sign him, and Green starts at shooting guard, which he proved he could play alongside Allen in the playoffs.</div> When did he prove that? In the few games they actually played together in the playoffs. During the regular season the first several weeks when he started along side Allen it was a horrible lineup. Though Green put points up the defense was at a much lower level. Marshall off the bench would also be a weird situation, because most likely we will have to give him the full MLE is he were to come here it would sort fo be a waiste of money bringing him off the bench especially with the size mismatch he could create with Webber in the front court. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post"> Korver provides instant offense off the bench and everything else is in its normal state. I don't understand how you made that depth chart so complicated.</div> Now hopefully you do. You basically had the same depth chart just tried to spread all the guard around in the three spots they could possibly start at so it did not look so full.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">See the only problem with that comment is there were players that could have come into this orginization right now, and on a playoff ready team contributed Jawad Williams, Dwyane Jones, Matt Walsh, all those guys would have been better picks for this orginization then Williams. </div> No, that is not the point I'm trying to make. The 76ers did not want one of those players, they did not want a player who can come in and make an instant contribution. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Willie Green can not play along Allen in the back court at the same time in my mind. They are two similiar in there styles, and Green would be miss matched as a starting shooting guard he is no Eric Snow either he can not play defense the way Snow did. Tell me how well they would do against back courts like J Kidd nd Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton and Billups, etc. They would be at a disadvantage against several teams. </div> That is not really true, Green played solid D on Rip Hamilton for a couple of days when the playoffs were in Philly. Besides he didn't get much of an oppurtunity to play alongisde Allen, he was benched so quickly we don't even know if they could have eventually meshed together. Of course there are going to be some backcourts that tower over them but the Sixers can adjust to that. Actually he did get more playing time because the Sixers were playing Detroit, its because Rip Hamilton wasn't bigger then him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marshall off the bench would also be a weird situation, because most likely we will have to give him the full MLE is he were to come here it would sort fo be a waiste of money bringing him off the bench especially with the size mismatch he could create with Webber in the front court.</div> Don't you know Marshall had a career season coming off the bench in Toronto?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">No, that is not the point I'm trying to make. The 76ers did not want one of those players, they did not want a player who can come in and make an instant contribution.</div> And why do you feel they did not want that? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">That is not really true, Green played solid D on Rip Hamilton for a couple of days when the playoffs were in Philly. Besides he didn't get much of an oppurtunity to play alongisde Allen, he was benched so quickly we don't even know if they could have eventually meshed together. Of course there are going to be some backcourts that tower over them but the Sixers can adjust to that. Actually he did get more playing time because the Sixers were playing Detroit, its because Rip Hamilton wasn't bigger then him.</div> Damn lol you just managed to make my point for me in the bolded sentence. They played together shortly so he did not really prove they could play together, and the illusion may have been created that Green could paly defense on Hamilton, but in realtity as it was shown in his early starts during the season that is not the case. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't you know Marshall had a career season coming off the bench in Toronto?</div> That was partly, because they gave Morris Peterson a new contract last off season so wanted him to start, and Bosh was not losing his starting spot either. In the end of things Marshall did up playing starter minutes at the five spot as the game went on. Though a main reason why he came off the bench in the first place, was because of there depth at the three and four slot, and they did not expect Marshall back after this year. If we offer him the MLE that will be a lot of money for him to just come off the bench. I would not mind him coming off the bench, but even if he did the depth chart we have would still have us with a lot of guys at the guard slot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn lol you just managed to make my point for me in the bolded sentence. They played together shortly so he did not really prove they could play together, and the illusion may have been created that Green could paly defense on Hamilton, but in realtity as it was shown in his early starts during the season that is not the case. </div> Ok then we are on the same page, that's good. What I'm trying to say is Green needs more of an oppurtunity if we want to find out if he can really start at two next to AI. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And why do you feel they did not want that?</div> I've been reading a lot of draft articles, and the 76ers said with the 45th pick they were not expecting to draft someone who can come in and make an immediate impact. Thus, they looked at this draft as a step towards the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I've been reading a lot of draft articles, and the 76ers said with the 45th pick they were not expecting to draft someone who can come in and make an immediate impact. Thus, they looked at this draft as a step towards the future.</div> They were not expecting to find someone who could make a immdiate impact is more like it. However, there were plenty of players who had slipped, and could have fit this team better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">They were not expecting to find someone who could make a immdiate impact is more like it. However, there were plenty of players whohad slipped, and could have fit this team better.</div> yeah, an example: ryan gomes!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That isn't really true, they do need another guard because Allen Iverson is point, and as a backup the Sixers have Kevin Ollie. I'm not sure about everyone else ut I'd rather have Williams over Ollie at this point.</div> I'm with you there. I would take Williams over Ollie. But ask yourself this question, who would you want in the draft, a G or PF/C?
I know that, but even Billy King said himself in an interview or something "We need size," "We need athletic ability." I read that in a story by Smith in the Philly Inquirer. Smith along with the majority of JBB?s members thinks that was definitely available on Tuesday, the day we pick Louis. With that being said hopefully King has a plan to get the 76ers a big man, and I believe he does he knows what the Sixers need and he knows that he didn't acquire what they need through the draft.
I wasn`t too satisfied with the pick of Williams, I was hoping for more size, but I remember the panel speaking of how this guy can become an Areanas-Iverson player in the future. Of course it will take time for him coming right out of HS (which I`m also not to happy about), but who knows what Williams can bring, I do think he has some good potentional.
I think that pickin' Williams was a good choice but, i honestly think he'll be benched for awhile. But, not for that long..i think at his level, i would say hes only average, he has to devolop a reputation and make a name for himself is what i think..and I too, can see Williams on the roster next year;like I said he just needs to devolop a reputation first.
As someone who was rated as one of the top high schoolers in the country earlier in the year, i think this is a great pick. You do not get that sort of buzz just being average. Also, as tough as Iverson is, he will not play forever. Louis Williams can come in and learn and develop and become the next Iverson for this franchise down the track. Sure, there were other picks that could come in and help straight away, but if in a few years he does a Tracy McGrady and tears **** up, don't say I didn't warn you all!!! Iverson and Maurice Cheeks will give this kid all the knowledge he needs to be a success. We just hope that he keeps focused and makes the most of a tremendous opportunity that he has been given.
