wow some of you people have low IQ about the NBA. Try watching some of these players and think about what kind of system IT is trying to create. Saying I HOPE YOU GET EMBARASSED is sad, GTFO your not even a true knicks fan, go root for another team like Miami.
Another very emotional post. This draft has really excited Knick fans, hardcore and casual, and not only in a good way. Maybe i shouldve passed the syzzurp around, eh?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Frye is a hard worker. There's no doubt about that and now that he's working on his weight intensely, he will be fine. He's tougher than what he's given credit for and his an extremely hard worker. Remember this was the same player who benched 185 pounds 19 times in Chicago. He?ll be fine. The Knicks needed a center and they got the best one available in Channing Frye. What more do you want? I also thought about Jarrett Jack over Nate Robinson but I don?t know if his services will be as valuable as Robinson?s. The Knicks are trying to follow in the path of the Phoenix Suns and they simply need a player who can just come in about 15 minutes and institute a fast paced atmosphere. Imagine: Lee, Frye, and Robinson running the floor. That would be a pretty hard team to keep up with. These are solid picks for the direction we?re trying to go in.</div> How about a GM not named Isiah Thomas. I'd have rather taken a shot at Bynum or just drafted Sean May(I know he's undersized but either him or Sweetney would have been matched up against a powerforward and been able to take advantage of that match up). I know what Isiah Thomas is trying to do with the team. The moment he did the Van Horn trade I knew he was looking to be a running team like the Nets were at the time. My problem is that Nate Robinson will be a liability on the defensive end not that Isiah Thomas cares. Jarett Jack is a player who can step in and play good strong defense-the type of perimeter defense we've lacked from a point guard since Ward in his prime- and can distribute the ball very well. And it's not like he cant run a fast break as well. Roko Ukic is also a player who likes to get out in the open court and run and he wont be a defensive liability. Nate Robinson wasnt the worst pick in the world but it could have been better. And I do indeed think Sweetney is going to be traded. He doesnt fit in with Isiah's plan of an athletic up tempo team. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting knicksfan:</div><div class="quote_post">wow some of you people have low IQ about the NBA. Try watching some of these players and think about what kind of system IT is trying to create. Saying I HOPE YOU GET EMBARASSED is sad, GTFO your not even a true knicks fan, go root for another team like Miami.</div> Explain to me his system, I'm having trouble seeing it. He said, we're going to build this team around Marbury, how is Nate Robinson going to help Marbury, when we already have Crawford? and alot of wing players? Richardson is going to play alot of SG/SF and Crawford is going to play alot of PG/SG, we didnt need a back up PG at 21, that was the last of our worries, especially a 5"8 PG who isn't even a pure PG, and is a streaky shooter. Trust me, I really love the 1 - 2 - 3, I give Isiah credit for getting Marbruy - Crawford - Quiten Richardson together, but our front court is really going to make the game harder for these gifted offensive players. lets see, we have Channing Fyre, the 8th over all pick, guy who can pop a shot accurately, moves well on the fast break for a 6"10.5 man, and has a set of fundamentals. The problem is, he's not physical, he doesnt play around the basket. We're going to leave Sweetney's non atheletic ass in the post all day? He's going to need HELP, a guy with size, who can match up against the elite guys in the league today. Fyre is a good shot blocker, but he can't even average 8 rebounds as a senior. Thats ridiculous, and it'll be a punishment for Fyre to play center on this team. In order for Fyre to play center well, he needs a BIG physical big man next to him at PF, guys like Okafor, Chandler etc. Hopefully Fyre suprises everyone, and becomes a beast in the post, since there has been some people who siad he's reached 270, hopefully he uses right. David Lee isn't bad, we could of got better, I gotta get over it, it'll take time, but I will. Lee is a good rebounder, moves very well for a PF, atheletic. But question, don't we have 5 other PF's on the team? Anyone thinks about it? or doesn't really want to realize it, cause its so painful to understand we're so loaded at PF, and we have no centers. I'm not giving up on these players, I just don't see where Isiah is going in the future. About the emotional post, that was the worst draft nigth I ever experience, I felt cursed, and I couldnt hold my emotions, but I'm sure I'll getover all this, and hopefully these guys are productive to show everyone Isiah knows what he's doing....lol
Mark Aguirre is in line for an enormous pay raise, let's see he's now responsible for the development of Mike Sweetney, Jackie Butler, David Lee, and Channing Frye. I thought the Knicks draft was decent, but after reading J0se's rant, I think it makes Raptor fans feel a little better about drafting CV3. Isiah had a conservative draft, but he should have rolled the dice on at least one of his 3 first round picks. With so much redundancy on the roster, it's hard to believe Isiah has a blueprint in place for how he wants to build his team. Also without 100% faith in Herb Williams, you really have to wonder what Isiah is trying to do with the Knicks. I'm just wondering who Isiah plans to get with the expiring contracts of Penny and TT now. If he trades for a Center it's going to slow the development of Channing Frye or Mike Sweetney. With QRich aboard and Ariza developing, trading for a SF makes no sense. At PG you now have Marbury and Nate Robinson. At SG you have Crawford, so does Isiah trade for a better SG and push Crawford to the bench? It better not be a PF they are loaded at that position. Isiah you have created a mess!
Can a Knick fan please explain to me the logic behind trading for Q and losing the only respectable defender on your team (Ariza is a good defender too).
I think it was merely because they had 5 power forwards and they attained a star player while creating more depth at SG/SF. Not to mention they have Sweetney who needs more PT to develop further.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it was merely because they had 5 power forwards and they attained a star player while creating more depth at SG/SF. Not to mention they have Sweetney who needs more PT to develop further.</div> Q is not a star player. He's a role player. Kurt was the only guy who was able to play centre for this team. If Frye struggles in the beggining, Herb (Or whomever they get) will be forced to put Sweetney at the 5, which is not good.
Well I think the problem goes back to the Nazr trade, David Lee + next years 30th pick in my opinion won't be worth Nazr. Knick Fans, did Kurt Thomas log a lot of minutes at center? And how did he fare defensively against an Eddy Curry, Brendan Haywood, Igauskaus, etc. Q rich averaged 15 ppg this year, and 17 ppg the year before and he is still young, which is why I believe that the Kurt Thomas trade was benefitial, not to mention the acquired the 21st pick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I think the problem goes back to the Nazr trade, David Lee + next years 30th pick in my opinion won't be worth Nazr.</div> You only look at stats, man. Nazr was awful here in New York. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Knick Fans, did Kurt Thomas log a lot of minutes at center? And how did he fare defensively against an Eddy Curry, Brendan Haywood, Igauskaus, etc.</div> He played some center, and he was ok. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Q rich averaged 15 ppg this year, and 17 ppg the year before and he is still young, which is why I believe that the Kurt Thomas trade was benefitial, not to mention the acquired the 21st pick.</div> Wow, 5 more PPG. Too bad we lose a top-flite defensive PF who averaged 10.4 RPG and had 32 double-double's last year. Well, at least we have an offense-driven swingman who really isn't much of a defender at all. We really needed that. Purple Fever: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Can a Knick fan please explain to me the logic behind trading for Q and losing the only respectable defender on your team (Ariza is a good defender too).</div> No. There's no real logic. Some use the excuse "he's younger". But really, it's just an idiotic trade. You're right, Fever. This was a very stupid trade and I really dislike it. Even though I love Nate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Q is not a star player. He's a role player. Kurt was the only guy who was able to play centre for this team. If Frye struggles in the beggining, Herb (Or whomever they get) will be forced to put Sweetney at the 5, which is not good.</div> Kurt was also 33-years-old, and his huge contract lasts until the 2007-2008 season. At his age and with that contract, if we waited any longer, his value would be decreasing. We got the most value we could get from him. He also didn't fit the direction this team was looking to go in - younger, faster, and more athletic. I have faith in Channing Frye and I do believe that he will succeed at the center, but we are also trying to get a center here in the off season as well so you can't count that out. You might see Jackie Butler logging ten minutes a game next year ao don't rule him out either.
^ The age argument. It's ok, really. It's not a really awful argument, it makes perfect sense to some, I'm sure. Doesn't cut it for me though. It's really a matter of what Isiah can do with his trading pieces, then we can come to a solid conclusion. It's impossible to anticipate Isiah's next move from here.
Josean is right. The Knicks made a lousy choice in Frye. Why? Because it happened to be the safe pick to make. The Knicks, who are not going to contend for the next couple of years had the luxury of taking a chance on a project, like Bynum. Not that he is the next coming of Shaq, but if it works out, he'd be ready around the same time the Knicks get some cap relief when they might really get a chance to get better. So now the Knicks end up with their 7th power forward. All the knuckleheads that think Frye can play center are wrong. They may make him try, but when someone not so great, like Jason Collins, starts looking like Shaq when playing against Frye, that's when Isiah will realize that you shouldn't pick your players just because you "connect" with them. Yes, since he and Frye hit it off when the Knicks worked him out, that seemed to seal his deal. More evidence is that Isiah is willing to keep Stephon around even though Stephon, with all his individual talent, will never make his team better. Until this draft I liked that Isiah has a long range plan for the team, but now I'm thinking that maybe he's not the man for the job. You can only depend on your gut feeling so much, and he relys on it too much.
Nazr was accually great in his first half of play for the Knicks, he did all our dirty work, but for some reason, later on he was just terrible offensively, and looked sloppy on D
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">on the Suns, Q was a role player, on the Knicks, he'll be a very good starter</div> Honestly, this statement right here sums up why Richardson isnt good for the Knicks because on the Knicks a guy like Richardsons role becomes expanded which isnt a good thing. The Knicks now get the Q Richardson of the Clippers not the Richardson of the Suns, which maybe could benefit. But now they get a guy who will try to be a creator instead of a finisher in the open court and a stand still jumpershoot in the half-court like in Pheonix. The Knicks will get a guy who thinks he can be successful at creating his own shot. And that is when you have the poor shot selection and turnovers of Q-Rich come into play, which is going to be a Knicks killer. We seen what makes Richardson successful in a team goal last year with the Suns but with the Knicks that type of role will not be the same. And somewhere along the lines the team's goals will be lost. I think coupling Marbury, Richardson and Crawford together will ultimately hurt the development of the Knicks young bigs like Sweetny & Frye because they wont get the proper touches needed to develope playing alongside that type of shot selection out on the perimeter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, this statement right here sums up why Richardson isnt good for the Knicks because on the Knicks a guy like Richardsons role becomes expanded which isnt a good thing. The Knicks now get the Q Richardson of the Clippers not the Richardson of the Suns, which maybe could benefit. But now they get a guy who will try to be a creator instead of a finisher in the open court and a stand still jumpershoot in the half-court like in Pheonix. The Knicks will get a guy who thinks he can be successful at creating his own shot. And that is when you have the poor shot selection and turnovers of Q-Rich come into play, which is going to be a Knicks killer. We seen what makes Richardson successful in a team goal last year with the Suns but with the Knicks that type of role will not be the same. And somewhere along the lines the team's goals will be lost. I think coupling Marbury, Richardson and Crawford together will ultimately hurt the development of the Knicks young bigs like Sweetny & Frye because they wont get the proper touches needed to develope playing alongside that type of shot selection out on the perimeter.</div> No, in Phoenix, his job was to stand by the 3-point line and just shoot treys in transition. He even said ?Finally, I can do my thing once again.? ?At first, I was surprised by the trade -- but now I can?t wait to go back to the style I love to play. I love to go down to the low post, use my power, use my versatility. In Phoenix, I was basically relegated to standing on the three-point line. That?s really not my style of basketball. I am much more than that. I have a lot more to offer than just stand there and shoot. Even though we were a winning team, it was extremely frustrating.? Marbury is a good passer and can find perimeter threats such as Q and Crawford. With Lee and Frye and Sweetney (if he?s still around), the perimeter will be much more effective because of their post up game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Nazr was accually great in his first half of play for the Knicks, he did all our dirty work, but for some reason, later on he was just terrible offensively, and looked sloppy on D</div> He was "sloppy" on defense even at the start. It just got more and more obvious later in the year. He was never great for us - his stats lied.
I'm cofident in Q-Rich, he's a good rebounder, solid defender, good hustle player, and he's just extremely talented on offense, even tough he's inconistant. Q is going to drive alot more, create his shot, I'm really high on him, and hopefully he can average 17 - 19 ppg 5 - 6 rebs and hopefuly a FG % of 42% lol, I remember when I had my first basketball game, and Q was a rookie, and I would always have him on my roster. Hopefully he'll have his best season here, because we're gonna need a lot of help from him, since he's the 2nd best player on this team now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I think the problem goes back to the Nazr trade, David Lee + next years 30th pick in my opinion won't be worth Nazr.</div> Whoa, I almost let this one slip by me. How can you say David Lee and next years? first round pick (it?s not guaranteed to be a 30th either), will not be worth Nazr Mohammed? When Nazr was with the Knicks last season, he improved dramatically, but he was still amongst the lower level of centers in the league ? yes, that?s how bad he was. When he was with the Knicks, he wasn?t a great shot-blocker, low post scorer or defender. I used to be one of the Knick fans blinded by how much I thought he improved, however, there was little change in his game. David Lee alone has the potential to exceed Mohammed?s mere 11/8 when he was with the Knicks. Although an inch shorter, he is much more athletic, much, more skilled, and plays with more heart and energy. On top of that, Lee has a very good work ethic and can work with Mark Aguirre. The first rounder next year we won?t know until June 2006, but I?m pretty sure he will be better than Nazr Mohammed and if not, I think he will be more useful.
