Now that Diogu,Monta, and Taft are warriors.. Thoughts??

I am OK with the draft. I do like Diogu. However I am confused about the second round picks. The whole draft kind of counters all of the moves Mullin has made, especially in the second round when some good and better fit(for the Warriors) players were still available. Mullin has spent many dollars and many years on Foyle and Murphy. Mullin also brought in Zarko who played well and was very productive last year. To top that off the last two first round picks by Mullin has been Biedrins and Diogu. So clearly the Warriors were set at the 4/5 positions. So why take Taft? Taft is also counter Mullin in that Mullin's first moves were to bring in blue collar players who work hard; and Taft is kind of anti all of the prior Mullin moves. So that is kind of interested or befuddling and all that good stuff.

I am not totally against Ellis. I think he is a high potential prospect. And a back up PG could help. But this also goes against Mullin's previous moves, as he looks for a blue collar player, and if the rumor of Ellis coming into the draft combines hungover are true, then what is that all about. Also we have Fisher here for many years as well.

Coming back to Earth, I know this is only the second round. But I personally would have enjoyed picking up Ukic who has a ton of skills and game, along with Mickael Gelabale who could have helped this team's need for perimeter defenders and a future backup SG/SF with Mickael Pietrus. (Sorry for being kind of redundant with a post I just made, but I thought I'd express these thoughts in a slightly different way, I suppose).

Anyway, I am happy with the current roster. Not too bad. Diogu should be a lot of fun to watch. A mix between Cardinal's scoring abilities(just as a post scorer rather than a perimeter scorer) and Foyle's hustle. I guess he could really become a fan favorite once he steps on the court.

 

The worst part is we have two first round picks next season, don't we? Somebody has to go and I hope it's not my favorite Warriors (Jason Richardson, Mickael Pietrus, Baron Davis, Zarko Cabarkapa, Andris Biedrins). That's your future starting 5 right there. Maybe sub out either Zarko or Pietrus in favor of planting in Ike Diogu. Dun's okay, but we'll see how he does this year. Murph's been in my doghouse because of his Taft like effort on defense.

 

Well, both Pietrus and Cabarkapa were extended for their 4th year before their third years have started, signaling that Mullin likes them, at least.

With the 14 man rosters, we can still fit those two other picks without waiving anyone, assuming one of the two 2nd round picks doesn't make our roster or is on the NBDL team. With the age limit set at 19, it might be a slightly weaker draft, without all of the younger internationals and high schoolers able to declare. Still, draft picks are always worth something, I'd rather be looking at too many good players than not enough.

 

The new CBA allows for a 15 man roster...and it sounds like NDBL players don't count against that, but I haven't heard anyone say that for sure. If anyone knows, please chime in.

Anyway, our current roster is 11 (that includes Ike). White was waived, Skita is a FA. Ellis is going to the NBDL for sure, wouldn't be surprised if Taft ends up there, too (teams can only have two players in the NDBL, as I understand it). Next year, MDJ and Cheaney are FA.

So, it seems to me that roster spots are not a huge problem for the W's. I'd imagine that one of the picks next year would be a foreign player that we could leave overseas for a couple years.

A more pressing question, is anyone clear on what picks we have? We've moved so many picks around lately, I've lost track...as I recall, the Philly pick (from Dallas?) was protected.

 

I did a little digging on draft picks...

We got two first round picks from Dallas in the Dampier trade:

Dallas 2007
Philly 2007 (conditional and protected)

We gave one of the picks from Dallas in the trade with Denver (Najera for Skita, White). It's not entirely clear which pick we gave up, but it appears we kept the Philly 2007.

Philly also owed a pick to Toronto, which was this year. I don't think a team can give up first round picks two years in a row, so I think we have two first round picks in 2007 (ours and Philly's). There was also some discussion whether this pick is protected, and I recall something about it turning into cash after a certain date.

We also have a second round pick in 2007 from New Jersey for the Cliffy trade.

 

The denver trade involved a 2nd round. no way would we give up a 1st rounder for white and skita.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting fansince75:</div><div class="quote_post">The new CBA allows for a 15 man roster...and it sounds like NDBL players don't count against that, but I haven't heard anyone say that for sure. If anyone knows, please chime in.</div>
This is from nba.com's article on the new CBA:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The league will guarantee that, on average, all teams will have 14-player rosters. </div>
I have no idea what "on average" means. Also the article says the team can assign players with less than two years experience to the NBDL. It doesn't sound like those players will count against the team's 14 man NBA roster.

Here's the link.

Oh, and here's a link that discusses the Warriors future draft picks they acquired through trade. It's a future philly 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder from Minnesota in 2007. They also get a 2007 2nd rounder from NJ for the Clifford Robinson deal

Also, the team traded it's future 1st rounder it got from Dallas to Denver in the Skita deal and Phoenix gets a 2009 2nd rounder from Golden State from the Zarko deal...which is unconditional...damn.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">The denver trade involved a 2nd round. no way would we give up a 1st rounder for white and skita.</div>
Woah don't assume it was a 2nd rounder. Please try to check facts before you make statements like the above statement otherwise it's really misleading to Warrior novices and you might get called out. Here we're pretty chill, so it's no worries.

We might have to think about packaging additional first rounders or a player with talent if we want to remove other "Eddie Najera type contracts" from our roster so that some team will take on such a contract. We can only hope Cohan will be willing to spend beyond most fans' expectations to keep a team together and keep on adding to talent.

P.S.: Thanks Walker for finding that http://www.nbadraft.net/draftnotes.asp link. I could not find that thing for some reason. Also good find on the Collective Bargaining Agreement Q & A.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting fansince75:</div><div class="quote_post">I did a little digging on draft picks...

We got two first round picks from Dallas in the Dampier trade:

Dallas 2007
Philly 2007 (conditional and protected)

We gave one of the picks from Dallas in the trade with Denver (Najera for Skita, White). It's not entirely clear which pick we gave up, but it appears we kept the Philly 2007.

Philly also owed a pick to Toronto, which was this year. I don't think a team can give up first round picks two years in a row, so I think we have two first round picks in 2007 (ours and Philly's). There was also some discussion whether this pick is protected, and I recall something about it turning into cash after a certain date.

We also have a second round pick in 2007 from New Jersey for the Cliffy trade.</div> Hey thanks for contributing to the discussion. I did find a source (not sure how authentic but it's the only one I could find for now) on the limitations regarding the Philly pick.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> 2007 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Golden State is owed a future first-round pick by Philadelphia. Pick can first be conveyed in 2007. If pick is not conveyed by 2009, it instead becomes $1 million. Pick was orginally traded to Atlanta in the four-way deal that send Glenn Robinson to Philadelphia. 7/23/2003. Pick was later traded by Atlanta to Dallas as part of the Antoine Walker deal. 8/4/2004. Pick was then traded by Dallas to Golden State in the Erick Dampier deal. 8/24/2004

http://www.ezekielbearsports.com/bbs/printthread.php?t=5734 (By website author. I'd rather have information sources first hand, but oh well)
</div> I assuming conveyed has whether to do with the originating draft pick's team making the playoffs or not and whether the conditions of the pick are known to the public. I find it very hard to find such information like whether there's lottery protection up to a certain level like top 10 or top 3, versus a lottery pick at 11-14. I'm sure lotto means lotto, it has to be teams that don't make the playoffs in that year and we get owed something based on the conditions of the contract up until a certain point where we get cash or something.

What's really interesting is the Atlanta, Boston, Lakers trades that involved Gary Payton from L.A. to Boston, then Antoine Walker to Boston from Atlanta for Gary Payton. Those teams involved a future first round draft pick with conditions on the Laker pick being lottery protected and they become protected less each year (up to the conditions of the trade I believe) until the pick becomes available. The Boston pick is lottery protected as well but there were no further details whether it becomes less protected every year. So I guess, if the celtics do make the playoffs or the lakers do make the playoffs, Atlanta always gets the lesser of the two draft picks.

This means that the Lakers have to make the playoffs in order for the Celtics to get that Laker pick, otherwise the Celtics keep their original pick they had traded to Atlanta. So Atlanta really gets nothing if the Lakers can't come through and they probably don't get anything unless the Celtics come through or until the pick doesn't become protected after that year.

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P.S.: If you still remember the sources, it's always helpful to post links so we know where we got our information from and everyone can relate and discuss or shoot down false info so we can be more accurate. Thanks!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">The denver trade involved a 2nd round. no way would we give up a 1st rounder for white and skita.</div>

Unfortunately, it's the truth. You can google the trade for yourself. You'll find it on the nba.com site. I don't have the link, but it's easy to find.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">
P.S.: If you still remember the sources, it's always helpful to post links so we know where we got our information from and everyone can relate and discuss or shoot down false info so we can be more accurate. Thanks!</div>

I didn't have a single link, I used a variety of sources/stories (mainly nba.com), plus filling in some details through other searches. I'll try to supply more in the future.

And thanks for the deets on the Philly pick.


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One final note to wtwalker. Chad Ford had a pretty good article on the new CBA, but it's on Insider, so no link.

But he said that the max roster is 15, the min roster is 14. The players got the roster min up from 11 to 14, so they are stoked...more paying jobs. Thus the 'on average, 14 players'.

Also, the injured list is history, now they have active and inactive. No more mysterious muscle pulls, you just make a player inactive (I assume that the active roster will still be 12 players, but I have no facts on that).

 

sorry about the multiple posts, the delete button doesn't seem to be working....

 

sorry about the multiple posts, the delete button doesn't seem to be working....

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting fansince75:</div><div class="quote_post">One final note to wtwalker. Chad Ford had a pretty good article on the new CBA, but it's on Insider, so no link.

But he said that the max roster is 15, the min roster is 14. The players got the roster min up from 11 to 14, so they are stoked...more paying jobs. Thus the 'on average, 14 players'.

Also, the injured list is history, now they have active and inactive. No more mysterious muscle pulls, you just make a player inactive (I assume that the active roster will still be 12 players, but I have no facts on that).</div>
You're absolutely right.

btw, the same Ford article also talks about the NBDL. According to Ford, players signed by a team and assigned to the DL won't count against the team's active roster. We all pretty much assumed this was the case, I just wanted to clarify it.

 

As to future picks,we have a #2 from the T-wolves in 07 from the M Jackson snafu. Good that the Devo league won't go against the activ roster-this figures to put more value on finding a few good undrafted FA's