I don't agree with Bosh being a "great" ball handler. While he is a good one, he's a little sloppy at times with his ball handling, and I wouldn't call it great, though it's good for a big man. CV is a better ball handler than Bosh even, and Bosh is not yet on the level of guys like KG, Dirk, Amare, Odom etc in terms of ball handling. I think some people hold Bosh too highly at the moment, while he's a great player, he's not yet shown he's the type of player to carry a team like too many people seem to think he is. Don't set yourselves up for dissapointment.... A lot of people say Bosh can put on the weight, etc etc, but the problem is that if Bosh puts on the weight, he's not like a Kwame Brown, Dwight Howard, Amare etc in body type, as he will not sustain his quickness, and it will affect his scoring. Also I don't see him ever really being much of a post player, we all like to talk about youth, but from last year to this year, their was 0 improvement in his post game. He even digressed away from posting up even more, he's become more of a face up and mid-range player than he was as a rookie. He's likely focusing on improving the area he already has skills in, instead of trying to change his game, which is not a bad thing. The biggest thing I think will stay with Bosh is his defense. Right now he's a below average defender at his position. It's mainly a strength issue, but the problem is that I don't think it's one he can overcome in terms of ever being able to effectively guard post up players. He's also not really that good a man to man defender right now, and not an exceptional shot blocker, though he's got the shot blocking skills. Defense is something he'll really have to put work into.
After it's all said and done, it's certian that the tools are there for Bosh to become a dominant player in the league. He has the length, athleticism, explosiveness, shooting... basically everything except for strength. I feel he shouldn't try to bulk up too much or else most of his will be taken away from him.
I don't think Bosh should even be compared to Nowitzki and Odom at the very least, and Garnett to a lesser extent when it comes to ballhandling. Although Bosh isn't a strictly back-to-the-basket player, I don't see him as a Dirk or Odom, who are both just basically seven-foot swingmen (alright, Odom might not be 7', but whatever).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HurricaneJesus:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Bosh should even be compared to Nowitzki and Odom at the very least, and Garnett to a lesser extent when it comes to ballhandling. Although Bosh isn't a strictly back-to-the-basket player, I don't see him as a Dirk or Odom, who are both just basically seven-foot swingmen (alright, Odom might not be 7', but whatever).</div> Huh? Bosh isn't a strictly back-to-the-basket player but you don't see him as a Dirk or Odom? What do you mean? Of course Bosh isn't a back-to-the-basket type player. As for his weight, I think he'd be set if he could gain about 5 to 10 pounds this off-season. That puts him at around 240 lbs and it shouldn't limit his quickness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Huh? Bosh isn't a strictly back-to-the-basket player but you don't see him as a Dirk or Odom? What do you mean? Of course Bosh isn't a back-to-the-basket type player. As for his weight, I think he'd be set if he could gain about 5 to 10 pounds this off-season. That puts him at around 240 lbs and it shouldn't limit his quickness.</div> You don't play Bosh as a small forward, do you? And by small forward I mean, do you put him out on the perimeter and expect him to create for himself?
Bosh is a Power Forward. No he doesn't play back to the basket very much, and he penetrates from the perimeter just like Dirk, Odom, KG sometimes, and many other PFs... how can you not compare their games? Just because Bosh doesn't post up doesn't make him any worse a player. Of course he can create for himself especialy from the perimeter b/c he uses his explosiveness and quickness to get by other slow PFs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh is a Power Forward. No he doesn't play back to the basket very much, and he penetrates from the perimeter just like Dirk, Odom, KG sometimes, and many other PFs... how can you not compare their games? Just because Bosh doesn't post up doesn't make him any worse a player. Of course he can create for himself especialy from the perimeter b/c he uses his explosiveness and quickness to get by other slow PFs.</div> Yes, Bosh is a power forward. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying: Bosh = power forward Dirk Nowitzki = small forward Lamar Odom = small forward
What??!!! Since when did Dirk ever play SF?! I'm sure he's more than capable of playing SF but he never played it, there's always someone else playing the 3, whether it was Walker, Jamison, or Howard. Odom yes is a true SF but plays PF on the Lakers. I'm sure Bosh could also play SF, but he's more effective at PF where he can use his quickness and explosivess against slower big guys.
All I'm saying is that Dirk's style of play does not lend itself well to our North American perception of a power forward, which is generally a shorter, bulky version of a center, whose main job is to rebound. These players play a postup style of play which is definitely not what Nowitzki does.
No, but that's why the game of basketball is evolving. Not all powerforwards are just shorter versions of centers nowadays. You see people like Marion and Dirk, Odom, Bosh, KG... all those guys are nowehre near being Centers and are closer to SFs than PFs... theyr'e SFs in a Center's body. Although KG has a post up game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">No, but that's why the game of basketball is evolving. Not all powerforwards are just shorter versions of centers nowadays. You see people like Marion and Dirk, Odom, Bosh, KG... all those guys are nowehre near being Centers and are closer to SFs than PFs... theyr'e SFs in a Center's body. Although KG has a post up game.</div> That's what I was saying all along. Although Nowitzki fills the 4 spot, he's not a true power forward. Same with Odom or Shawn Marion. That's all I've been saying. Bosh is closer to a power forward than Nowitzki is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HurricaneJesus:</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I was saying all along. Although Nowitzki fills the 4 spot, he's not a true power forward. Same with Odom or Shawn Marion. That's all I've been saying. Bosh is closer to a power forward than Nowitzki is.</div> I totally agree with Hurricane J, Odom plays a SFs game and flourished as a SF in Miami. Marion is truly a SF, he was forced to play PF out of necessity. However everyone saw how it wasn't right for him to cover a guy like Tim Duncan. Peja plays the SF, and Dirk has an identical game to Peja, except he is 2 inches taller. Dirk plays the perimeter. Bosh plays like a PF, he plays down low and mid-range. I think comparing Bosh to Odom, Dirk, and Marion aren't practical because different styles of play.
Charlie is a good player but you don"t need a PF on the team i would have taken Green over him and if he would still be available then i would take Charlie
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Iguodala:</div><div class="quote_post">Charlie is a good player but you don"t need a PF on the team i would have taken Green over him and if he would still be available then i would take Charlie</div> Green over Villanueva? I don't think so man.. We don't need another immature guy on the team when we have Rafer Alston. Sure, his potential upside is great, but we can't wait 3-4 years for him to actually do something special.
watch bosh's ball handling late in games and u might have a change of heart. i remember watching in horror as he turned over the ball late in games against indiana and detriot. the kid gets exited and og and dunksworth are right-he doens't compare well with j.o, kg, amare, dirk, gasol in terms of ball handling. he's got no post game to speak of and his defense in the post his dreadful. i've seen kenny thomas score at will on him and remember that game when dwight howard got 20 boards on cb4? plus, he isn't aggressive and doesn't demand the ball + plus his numbers are being put up on a sub.500 team. i'm not arguing that bosh's negative attributes outweigh his positive ones...but i don't think he will ever be a top 10 player. fair enough? btw, the year after he left georgia tech. his team made it to the final game of the tournament without him.
I know a lot has been posted on players the Raptors passed up because they did not want to play in Toronto. Do you think the Raptors should have considered drafting a player like Frye, and then trading him? Or Granger?, or Green? Villanueva has been good in the summer leagues, but I think the Raptors could have landed him at 16. If the Raptors drafted Frye, they could have worked out a deal with the Knicks and picked at #8 and receive something in return to feel a need.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I know a lot has been posted on players the Raptors passed up because they did not want to play in Toronto. Do you think the Raptors should have considered drafting a player like Frye, and then trading him? Or Granger?, or Green? Villanueva has been good in the summer leagues, but I think the Raptors could have landed him at 16. If the Raptors drafted Frye, they could have worked out a deal with the Knicks and picked at #8 and receive something in return to feel a need.</div> I don't think Villanueva would have been available at 16. Golden State wanted him and Charlotte wanted him too. After the Raptors' pick, the teams picking after us grabbed bigs all the way to the 13th pick. (NY: Frye, GS: Diogu, LAL: Bynum, ORL: Vasquez, LAC: Korolev, CHAR: May) I know NJ would have jumped at the chance to grab a big like him, especially with the thin frontcourt they have. That trade scenario is considerable, but you gotta remember that when you're trading a player who doesn't want to be in Toronto in the first place you're not going to get anything close to equal value. A good example of this would be Vince Carter. I'd prefer to just keep Villanueva instead of picking Frye / Green and then having to try to make a deal with your hands tied. I don't want anyone on the Knicks roster.. Most are overpaid and they don't have anyone that we need - veteran centres - and I doubt that they would've given up Nate Robinson.
